Browse Forums General Discussion Re: Nogging standard size 3May 10, 2022 3:00 pm gees, is that what builders are doing to save money, 90x30mm studs! Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Nogging standard size 4May 10, 2022 11:37 pm Hi Magirl This is perfectly acceptable, the code states Clause 6.2.1.5 Where required, wall studs shall have continuous rows of noggings, located on flat or on edge, at 1350 mm maximum centres. Your nogs are on flat! Further Unless otherwise specified, the minimum nogging size shall be the depth of the stud minus 25 mm by 25mm thick, or a nogging shall have a minimum cross-section of 50 mm × 38 mm for unseasoned timber and 42 mm × 35 mm for seasoned timber, and shall be suitable, where required, for the proper fixing of cladding, linings, and bracing. So your nogs are within size. The purpose for the nogs is to provide support to the studs (the long vertical members) so they can't flex and bow. It is actually a smarter option than using the same size material as the studs for the nogs. As pulse says it is easier to feed the cables in the wall. It also means that sparkies don't drill a 25mm hole (over sized) to be able to quickly pull the cables through. It also means the chippy doesn't need to check every stud/nog junction to plain any miss alignment causing the plaster to bump-out We are Expert Consultant's, and we are here to help. Re: Nogging standard size 5May 11, 2022 8:54 am Ashington Homes gees, is that what builders are doing to save money, 90x30mm studs! Material size and substitution is rife as a result of material shortages and some project builders are the worse at changing materials, taking shortcuts, etc,etc OT, Some even don't give a sh!t and dont turn up on site, I was informed one perth supervisor has 150 homes to supervise, so I issued a "Not Fit For Purpose Notice.." for the owner to take to the Building Commission If your builder or Building surveyor is pushing "It meets the NCC..." and you aren't happy... Then you better have it properly assessed to AS1720 Timber structure codes by a local engineer. There are heaps of reduction factors that degrade timber capacity that aren't cover in the NCC. Check and see what happens to the structural elements when exposed after 6 months of a punishing winter rains and then have it assessed. Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Nogging standard size 6May 12, 2022 5:40 am StructuralBIMGuy Ashington Homes gees, is that what builders are doing to save money, 90x30mm studs! Material size and substitution is rife as a result of material shortages and some project builders are the worse at changing materials, taking shortcuts, etc,etc OT, Some even don't give a sh!t and dont turn up on site, I was informed one perth supervisor has 150 homes to supervise, so I issued a "Not Fit For Purpose Notice.." for the owner to take to the Building Commission If your builder or Building surveyor is pushing "It meets the NCC..." and you aren't happy... Then you better have it properly assessed to AS1720 Timber structure codes by a local engineer. There are heaps of reduction factors that degrade timber capacity that aren't cover in the NCC. Check and see what happens to the structural elements when exposed after 6 months of a punishing winter rains and then have it assessed. Cheers Chris Chris That is completely insane! That just means there is going to be 150 very poorly built homes in Perth. And good on you for issuing the not for purpose certificate. I have been talking to a number of very senior industry colleagues in recent weeks and I genuinely fear that we are on the way for a blood bath here in Sydney with a couple of the biggest builders in Sydney on the verge of collapsing. One told me he has been operating at a loss for the last year or so and is only surviving on land sale revenue. Another who builds around 400 homes a year or 33 per month only sold 8 homes last month. Things are slowing down. We build in a more affluent strip of Sydney where our clients demand quality so we normally don't even try to compete with the project home builders, but this week as a test we tried pricing a home based on using the cheapest possible materials and specifications we could find to see how close we could get whilst still maintaining a 10% profit and some wages for our foreman. To build a like for like home with materials and workmanship that we would be comfortable giving a 6 year warranty on we are still a couple of hundred thousand dollars above the builders base price. What people don't realise is that when you get quoted $500,000 for a 300sqm house with all the bells and whistles, that builder is not making any margin and therefore has no room for price fluctuations. They need your deposit to pay for someone else's build. And they need someone else's deposit to pay for your build. Once the deposits dry up there will be no more money to pay for your build. To correctly build a 300 sqm brick veneer style home in Sydney properly costs between $800-900,000. If your builder is quoting you $500,000 be aware that you are either going to be hit with significant variations or alternatively you are part of a ponzi scheme that is on the verge of collapsing Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Nogging standard size 7May 12, 2022 8:09 am It sounds really scary! From what I hear, Sydney is facing the worst of it. I don't know whether to be thankful that my builder is holding his pricing and eating some (all??) of his margin, or worried about his business model? Interesting times ahead for all of us I think. Re: Nogging standard size 8May 12, 2022 11:03 am Guys, if i told you what's happening over here you won't believe me. It's like a train crash in slow motion... you can see it evolving but there's nothing you can do... nuf said Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Nogging standard size 9May 12, 2022 11:24 am Ashington Homes They need your deposit to pay for someone else's build. And they need someone else's deposit to pay for your build. Once the deposits dry up there will be no more money to pay for your build. Ponzi Homes Pty Ltd 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Nogging standard size 10May 12, 2022 12:30 pm I heard a say from one of the builders in Central Coast saying that they are currently making only $10k in profit from $500k "average" house they are building and they are happy that they are at least making something. Re: Nogging standard size 11May 12, 2022 2:38 pm alexp79 I heard a say from one of the builders in Central Coast saying that they are currently making only $10k in profit from $500k "average" house they are building and they are happy that they are at least making something. better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick as they say Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Nogging standard size 13May 12, 2022 6:04 pm magirl OMG.....your comments make me feel so sad and depressed right now...this is my first home...single income ....::cry:: magirl Sorry about that, it's all just the old regulars having a whinge and sharing war stories! 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