Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Mar 27, 2022 2:19 pm Hi guys, I’m trying to decide on one of the two builders. One won’t allow me to have the third party inspector to do the stage inspection. The other one is fine with it, but he would like to know which company the inspector is from. Does that know I shouldn’t consider the first builder at all? Many thanks, Judy Re: Third party inspection 2Mar 27, 2022 4:11 pm If you have a builder that excludes independent inspections out of hand, then they are doing this due to concern of what will be raised around quality of build. I would move on. We are Expert Consultant's, and we are here to help. Re: Third party inspection 3Mar 27, 2022 4:50 pm Not a good sign! The Harder You Try - the Luckier You Get ! Web site http://www.anewhouse.com.au Informative, Amusing, and Opinionated Blog - Over 600 posts on all aspects of building a new house. Re: Third party inspection 4Mar 27, 2022 4:57 pm Don't support a builder who doesn't have confidence in their ability to deliver a quality house built to the requirements of the NCC and Australian Standards or who lacks respect for their client. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Third party inspection 5Mar 27, 2022 7:27 pm BuildingandLegal If you have a builder that excludes independent inspections out of hand, then they are doing this due to concern of what will be raised around quality of build. I would move on. That’s what I thought too, wasn’t sure how common it is for a builder to exclude independent instructions, so thanks for confirming it’s not acceptable Re: Third party inspection 6Mar 27, 2022 7:33 pm bashworth Not a good sign! True. The builder’s explanation was too many different people will be checking - the Certifier, the structural engineer, now the third party inspector . Will be too messy and delaying the job Re: Third party inspection 7Mar 27, 2022 7:39 pm SaveH2O Don't support a builder who doesn't have confidence in their ability to deliver a quality house built to the requirements of the NCC and Australian Standards or who lacks respect for their client. He allowed for the geotech engineer to check the footing and the structural engineer to do the staged inspections, will that be enough to check the quality of work? I agree that he lacks respect for the client , as I have tried to reason with him about how common it is to get the third party inspector Re: Third party inspection 8Mar 27, 2022 8:17 pm Savagepuppy .......and the structural engineer to do the staged inspections, It is unusual but who's structural engineer? An experienced building consultant who does stage inspections draws on many skills. There are a few building consultants on this forum, one of whom is building-expert. Below is his H1 profile and website. You should be able to pick up a lot of valuable information re the skill sets and practical experience needed. https://www.homeone.com.au/member/building-expert https://www.buildingexpert.net.au/ Also click on ARTICLES near the top of the page to bring up information uploaded by the forum's professionals. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Third party inspection 9Mar 27, 2022 8:49 pm SaveH2O Savagepuppy .......and the structural engineer to do the staged inspections, It is unusual but who's structural engineer? The structural engineer who did the structural drawing An experienced building consultant who does stage inspections draws on many skills. There are a few building consultants on this forum, one of whom is building-expert. Below is his H1 profile and website. You should be able to pick up a lot of valuable information re the skill sets and practical experience needed. https://www.homeone.com.au/member/building-expert https://www.buildingexpert.net.au/ Also click on ARTICLES near the top of the page to bring up information uploaded by the forum's professionals. Many thanks for sharing the building -expert’s profile and website. It so happened that I read Somewhere else that the building expert is good, and I was wondering how to contact him. Looks like they are based in Melbourne, I will contact them and see if they do Sydney as well Many thanks 🙏🏻 Re: Third party inspection 10Mar 27, 2022 9:53 pm That was more for information gathering. Just go through the forum's advertisers and then do a forum search on the Sydney ones that you find. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Third party inspection 11Mar 28, 2022 7:05 am Consider that just because a builder allows your private consultant access to their site does not mean they will read, let alone act upon, any issies noted in the inspection report. Many 'value' builders will just ignore or pay lip service to it anyway. You will need a plan and written agreement on how to manage and negotiate rectification of any defects identified if you want the builder to act on the report. Ideally before you pay any deposit or sign a contract. Re: Third party inspection 12Mar 28, 2022 7:51 am Kippers01 Consider that just because a builder allows your private consultant access to their site does not mean they will read, let alone act upon, any issies noted in the inspection report. Many 'value' builders will just ignore or pay lip service to it anyway. You will need a plan and written agreement on how to manage and negotiate rectification of any defects identified if you want the builder to act on the report. Ideally before you pay any deposit or sign a contract. many also do rectification inline with the report. The key is though managing the builder on the required rectification. One of the things that tends to happen is that clients end up becoming nightmares for the builder to deal with. The reports that are written by the inspectors often sound alarming and it sends clients into a spin and the become rude and a handful to deal with. the client usually has no experience with the items in the report and dont necessarily understand the fix required. My current builder has been ticking off each item and explaining what they've done to fix and taking photos where required. It has added some time to the work, but no one is complaining. Mistakes happen all the time, a good builder will fix the mistakes and carry on. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Third party inspection 13Mar 28, 2022 9:48 am Kippers01 Consider that just because a builder allows your private consultant access to their site does not mean they will read, let alone act upon, any issies noted in the inspection report. Many 'value' builders will just ignore or pay lip service to it anyway. You will need a plan and written agreement on how to manage and negotiate rectification of any defects identified if you want the builder to act on the report. Ideally before you pay any deposit or sign a contract. That’s a very good point, keepers01. Any recommendations of a good third party inspection service, who will follow up the defects/rectification? Re: Third party inspection 14Mar 28, 2022 9:54 am Noname Kippers01 Consider that just because a builder allows your private consultant access to their site does not mean they will read, let alone act upon, any issies noted in the inspection report. Many 'value' builders will just ignore or pay lip service to it anyway. You will need a plan and written agreement on how to manage and negotiate rectification of any defects identified if you want the builder to act on the report. Ideally before you pay any deposit or sign a contract. many also do rectification inline with the report. The key is though managing the builder on the required rectification. One of the things that tends to happen is that clients end up becoming nightmares for the builder to deal with. The reports that are written by the inspectors often sound alarming and it sends clients into a spin and the become rude and a handful to deal with. the client usually has no experience with the items in the report and dont necessarily understand the fix required. My current builder has been ticking off each item and explaining what they've done to fix and taking photos where required. It has added some time to the work, but no one is complaining. Mistakes happen all the time, a good builder will fix the mistakes and carry on. That’s what I have thought of and would like to avoid, too. So any recommendations of a good inspector, who can follow up the rectification? Re: Third party inspection 15Mar 28, 2022 9:56 am Savagepuppy Kippers01 Consider that just because a builder allows your private consultant access to their site does not mean they will read, let alone act upon, any issies noted in the inspection report. Many 'value' builders will just ignore or pay lip service to it anyway. You will need a plan and written agreement on how to manage and negotiate rectification of any defects identified if you want the builder to act on the report. Ideally before you pay any deposit or sign a contract. That’s a very good point, keepers01. Any recommendations of a good third party inspection service, who will follow up the defects/rectification? None of them. Their job is to inform you and give you the information you need to hold the builder accountable. Its up to you to manage the builder. They aren't a mediation service. This is why you want a builder who is open and is well regarded by the inspectors that deal with them. It's also up to you to determine whether there is any conflicts apparent in these relationships too. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Third party inspection 16Mar 28, 2022 9:57 am Savagepuppy Noname Kippers01 Consider that just because a builder allows your private consultant access to their site does not mean they will read, let alone act upon, any issies noted in the inspection report. Many 'value' builders will just ignore or pay lip service to it anyway. You will need a plan and written agreement on how to manage and negotiate rectification of any defects identified if you want the builder to act on the report. Ideally before you pay any deposit or sign a contract. many also do rectification inline with the report. The key is though managing the builder on the required rectification. One of the things that tends to happen is that clients end up becoming nightmares for the builder to deal with. The reports that are written by the inspectors often sound alarming and it sends clients into a spin and the become rude and a handful to deal with. the client usually has no experience with the items in the report and dont necessarily understand the fix required. My current builder has been ticking off each item and explaining what they've done to fix and taking photos where required. It has added some time to the work, but no one is complaining. Mistakes happen all the time, a good builder will fix the mistakes and carry on. That’s what I have thought of and would like to avoid, too. So any recommendations of a good inspector, who can follow up the rectification? see above response. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Third party inspection 17Mar 28, 2022 10:32 am Noname Savagepuppy Kippers01 Consider that just because a builder allows your private consultant access to their site does not mean they will read, let alone act upon, any issies noted in the inspection report. Many 'value' builders will just ignore or pay lip service to it anyway. You will need a plan and written agreement on how to manage and negotiate rectification of any defects identified if you want the builder to act on the report. Ideally before you pay any deposit or sign a contract. That’s a very good point, keepers01. Any recommendations of a good third party inspection service, who will follow up the defects/rectification? None of them. Their job is to inform you and give you the information you need to hold the builder accountable. Its up to you to manage the builder. They aren't a mediation service. This is why you want a builder who is open and is well regarded by the inspectors that deal with them. It's also up to you to determine whether there is any conflicts apparent in these relationships too.[/quote Thanks for the suggestions, kippers01. Sounds like it’s really important to engage a builder who is open and conscientious. Lucky you have a good builder who ticks all the boxes Re: Third party inspection 18Mar 28, 2022 1:27 pm Savagepuppy Hi guys, I’m trying to decide on one of the two builders. One won’t allow me to have the third party inspector to do the stage inspection. The other one is fine with it, but he would like to know which company the inspector is from. Does that know I shouldn’t consider the first builder at all? Many thanks, Judy Hi Judy There are some really good responses already in this topic, but I am sitting outside my site waiting for the surveyor to turn up so we can start piering tomorrow, I can't resist adding my thoughts. Basically, I would never pick a builder who wont allow an independent inspection. I was recently helping one family out who's builder hadn't even allowed them on site to have a look and they were almost at lockup. Based on the quality of the work I can understand why they were too embarrassed to have any one look at it. But as other people have said, just because you get the inspection report doesn't mean that you wont still have a battle to actually get the builder to do the rectification. Sometimes that is because the builder doesn't believe there is an issue or perhaps the inspector is wrong. Either way, having an independent engineer and or an inspector review the build, especially the structure is very important. Even if you have to have the argument at least you are armed with the facts. In my commercial development projects where we have used a large builder on a design and construct arrangement ( we get the DA and pass over the documentation phase to the builder), we usually keep the architect and engineers who have done the initial design for us in an overseeing capacity. In an ideal world you will choose a builder who can work in partnership with your inspector to give you the most gorgeous and high quality home ever! Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Third party inspection 19Mar 28, 2022 1:55 pm A good report will quote the applicable NCC or referenced Australian Standards. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Third party inspection 20Mar 29, 2022 6:29 am Ashington Homes Savagepuppy Hi guys, I’m trying to decide on one of the two builders. One won’t allow me to have the third party inspector to do the stage inspection. The other one is fine with it, but he would like to know which company the inspector is from. Does that know I shouldn’t consider the first builder at all? Many thanks, Judy Hi Judy There are some really good responses already in this topic, but I am sitting outside my site waiting for the surveyor to turn up so we can start piering tomorrow, I can't resist adding my thoughts. Basically, I would never pick a builder who wont allow an independent inspection. I was recently helping one family out who's builder hadn't even allowed them on site to have a look and they were almost at lockup. Based on the quality of the work I can understand why they were too embarrassed to have any one look at it. But as other people have said, just because you get the inspection report doesn't mean that you wont still have a battle to actually get the builder to do the rectification. Sometimes that is because the builder doesn't believe there is an issue or perhaps the inspector is wrong. Either way, having an independent engineer and or an inspector review the build, especially the structure is very important. Even if you have to have the argument at least you are armed with the facts. In my commercial development projects where we have used a large builder on a design and construct arrangement ( we get the DA and pass over the documentation phase to the builder), we usually keep the architect and engineers who have done the initial design for us in an overseeing capacity. In an ideal world you will choose a builder who can work in partnership with your inspector to give you the most gorgeous and high quality home ever! Cheers Simeon Hi Simeon, Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and advice , they are really helpful. The story you shared about the family whose builder wouldn’t let them on site Is exactly what I worry about, so it’s clear not to engage a builder like that. The other builder who agreed to let me use external inspector did try to argue that some inspectors’ criteria are too strict , sometimes it’s hard to keep everything within their criteria. I will have to work out something to make sure he does the rectification if I engage him. My architect and structural engineer who did the plan aren’t very helpful, as they are always too busy with hundreds of projects. This whole process has been so stressful and unpleasant, even before I start the build. So I really appreciate you taking the time and try to help out. 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