Browse Forums General Discussion 1 Sep 03, 2012 12:31 pm Hi all, I'm after new ideas for the floor plan of a section of my house (existing house, currently renovating). I've attached the area we have to work with. The grey line is a current wall but will be removed (got engineer specs already, so is doable). The ceiling height on the left hand side of the wall is 3.15m, and on the right hand side of the wall slopes from 2.7m to 2.1m. The area needs to contain: - kitchen (happy for slimline pantry across walkway if need be), - dining room (current table is 1.4x0.9), - toy/play area (with tv mounted somewhere and space for small sofa or chairs), - study area (with desk for 2 computers, printer and drawers/cupboard/shelf for paperwork etc). I know it's a squeeze but I think it can all fit. The 2 door ways are fixed and cannot be moved. One east-facing window is fixed (it is 1m up from floor level) but any other openings on the North or South facing walls can be placed anywhere. We need a sliding door on the North facing wall, preferably in the middle or right hand side. The door has to be to one side of the grey line. I've had 2 designs already with the kitchen in the top left and top right corners but would like to see what others can come up with. I'll post my designs a bit later thanks in advance Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Floor plan help 2Sep 04, 2012 10:14 am Here are the designs I have thought of so far. #1 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Problems - it puts the kids play area right next to the existing lounge room (thinking noise/2 tv's) - the existing wall needs to be removed before the kitchen construction can start ($$) What else is wrong with it (besides the awkward pantry and microwave positions)? #2 (with a splashback window behind cooktop) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Problems - smaller kitchen with less bench space. No place for pot drawers. Pantry location #3 A galley style kitchen at the bottom (southern side) - I haven't drawn this yet Any comments? Re: Floor plan help 3Sep 04, 2012 12:44 pm I think you could leave most of the current wall where it is and just get rid of some of the middle section. I would put the fridge next to the lounge door then run the kitchen down the rest of the 2000 wall and right along the 3700 wall. Close off the area that is 1800 x 2200 for use as a walk in pantry with a door next to your kitchen bench. You may still have room for a small island bench. Put the dining room top left and have cabinetry built against the current wall for your study, put your sliding doors between these two areas. Knock out the current wall down a bit from the study to the pantry and behind that you will have a 3 sided area with plenty of room for the kids and other stuff you want there. I hope you understand what I mean and can draw it up to see how it looks (sorry I don’t have those skills) . Regards, Grumbles Re: Floor plan help 4Sep 05, 2012 11:36 am Jayta, for how many people is the table planned for? At the south side, in the ex-dining room, I believe you want a window. With all the openings, it is hard to arrange all what you request. What other items do want permanently on the benchtop, eg coffee machine, toaster? Re: Floor plan help 5Sep 05, 2012 12:30 pm grumblegum - thanks. I have drawn that out and I'm not sure an island would fit, so it would be more like a straight line kitchen. It's very similar to how it is currently setup and the study and dining in one and are little squashed, although we do have 2 desks at the moment. Re the wall, I think we'd like to remove most of it as that fixed window overlooks the backyard and it would be nice to be able to see out there from the kitchen etc. Evelin- Yes the doorways are a problem. I wish we had moved them before but both areas on either side of this are now renovated, so we are stuck with them. The table would be for 4 normally but needs to accommodate 6 every now and then. Yes definitely need a window on the south wall but it is flexible where it goes. On the benchtop we just need a toaster, and prefer microwave to not be underbench. We can pull the kettle out as required. Re: Floor plan help 6Sep 05, 2012 2:01 pm tried to fill the room The corner is a dead corner, on the right of it a dishwasher, next to it a bin system and then sink. It leaves you enough working space to work towards the cooktop. In the study nook I placed another 60cm and 40cm wide kitchen storage unit. The island bench has a 40cm extention. Don't know about the TV. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Floor plan help 7Sep 07, 2012 12:42 pm I would consider putting the study area on the north wall under/beside a window so it has good lighting during the day. Then out of the kitchen, dining & play area, consider which gets most use during the day & put that on north side too. If you have breakfast at the dining table it would be nice to have that near the eastern window for morning sunshine. It may be a bit cheaper to have the kitchen beside laundry where you already have plumbing. If the study is for adults, you may appreciate it being walled in for quiet, (& for neatness?) but it reduces the flexibility as your needs change over the years. If the kitchen is the only fixed furniture then you can change the placement of the other rooms as often as you change your mind. If the 'study' is for your primary-aged kids to do homework in, it's good for it to be near kitchen so you can see them working & talk as you prepare dinner. Try to avoid a large window on the south side. More glass = more heat lost in winter. glass on north = increased sunlight & warmth; glass on south = only heat lost, minimal light in. Re: Floor plan help 8Sep 07, 2012 1:33 pm Evelin - wow thanks for the rendering. It certainly looks different to how I imagined in my mind with that wall gone. You are right it is not a big space and the play area looks like it wont fit at all. Hmm. The kitchen looks doable though, will have to think about that layout for a while. I know its a big ask but would you consider rendering the version of my design #2 below. There is a spashback window behind the cooktop and overheads around the L shape. I closed in the study just to see what it would look like (the blue is desk and red bookshelves/or narrow cupboard) and put a sofa along the walkway. This could have a TV mounted in the top right corner. The pantry is 370 deep. Will the table/chairs fit next to it? Thanks in advance and no worries if it is too much trouble Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Kylie - thanks for your comments. The study is currently for adults and I would like it to be walled in to stop little toddler hands getting into the computers etc. I even thought about a double bifold door maybe (if it was in the jut out area on the bottom right). It is not critical that this gets light as it is mainly used after hours anyway. Also it is currently in front of a north facing window and it is a little harsh during the day when trying to focus on a monitor. At the moment we eat breakfast at our computers but I imagine that will change as our baby gets older. Thanks for the tips on the window. What size would you imagine to be suitable? We currently have a 900x600 window which I think is a bit small. The plans show a 500x1500 but this is too big you feel? (went smaller in height to avoid looking into neighbours yard) Re: Floor plan help 9Sep 08, 2012 2:45 am Hi Jayta, I can draw you another plan. The space between the sink and cooktop seems a bit small for food preparation. Where is your dishwasher? How big is your cooktop, 600 or 900? Is your oven going to be under the cooktop or built in a wall unit? If in a wall unit next to the fridge, an 800mm wide fridge would be too wide. What width is your fridge? Evelin Re: Floor plan help 10Sep 08, 2012 8:08 am Hi Evelin The cooktop is 800 wide and the 600 oven under it (we already have these items). You are right about that space in the corner of the cooktop and sink, it is wasted. I didnt really think about it. I was just trying to put the sink as far down that end as possible. I guess it would be moved down some? Do you have any other ideas? Our rangehood is an undermount style so the cooktop needs to be on a wall somewhere. The dishwasher would go under the sink drain tray. There really isnt much storage room in this design at all but we dont have much at the moment anyway (1 drawer in the entire kitchen). Our fridge is only 58cm wide but we would probably upgrade to a larger one, maybe 80cm, in the next couple of years. I dont mind if the fridge is not enclosed, so a larger fridge (90cm etc) could just be put in the designated space and overhang the door architrave slightly if you know what I mean Would this be totally crazy - putting the oven/cooktop next to the fridge (bad for energy efficiency I know) and making the back of the U shape 400 deep (currently have 420 in our kitchen atm). Have a normal opening window with overheads on either side Re: Floor plan help 11Sep 08, 2012 12:18 pm jayta Hi Evelin Would this be totally crazy - putting the oven/cooktop next to the fridge (bad for energy efficiency I know) and making the back of the U shape 400 deep (currently have 420 in our kitchen atm). Have a normal opening window with overheads on either side Do you mean, that the short side of the U could be 400 deep? If the cupboards would be 600 deep everywhere, on the 2m wall (left) you would have 650 (incl. 50mm for the corner filler) + let say an 800 wide fridge (510l which is a very nice size), you would be left with roughly 600. Even if you shorten the depth of the shout U to 400, the 800 cooktop would be a tight squeeze. I would not want to work where I don't have some space either side. Min space either side should be 300mm. However, if you consider only to move the oven (if it is only 600mm wide) in a base unit or wall unit next to the fridge, you have more options on the short U side. You wanted 1400 space between both sides, which leaves you with 1300. You could have 2 cabinets with fully pullout drawers, each 650 wide and the cooktop in the middle of it. If you leave the cooktop and oven in the middle of the short U, you are left on both sides 400mm base cabinets. 400mm is pretty useless, the cost almost as much as 600mm cabinet. you have to deduct the carcuss thinkness it leaves you then withabout 360mm. What would you put into it? However, if this is your prefered layout, you can't even opt for corner pullout cabinets with those inserts which you pull out. They need min 1150 mm, you got only 400 next to the oven, but you would need min 550. They are not cheap for what they are. You should always go for the largest cabinets, because the price increase is minimal. Have a look at the IKEA website. Can you move the cooktop further left to the corner? If optic is important it might not look right but it would give you more options. The dishwasher should be at a position, when open, others still can reach the sink or fridge. You cannot have it too far in the corner, the doors of oven and dishwasher would collide. The corner at the right, if dead, could be turned into an open storage unit for bab's toys, a 600 cupboard turned 180 degrees around. For inclosing the study, I would suggest if money allows it, to close it off with a sliding door installed to hide between too stud walls (or how it is called, I'm not a native English speaker). I will play around with the plan now. Cheers Evelin Re: Floor plan help 12Sep 08, 2012 2:50 pm A new set of drawings. I didn't the add the bit to hide the sink and mess, couldn't find anything at the moment. The distance between both sides is 1500mm to squeeze the dishwasher next to the hotplate (on the right). There is only 900mm space for the snack place following the sink. Very small. Imagine a sliding door between the 2 walls to the office. I just 1500 high cupboards, 375 mm deep, like normal wall unit. Same for the storage unit. Where would you put a micro? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I find it very time consuming to put pictures in this forum. I'm used to other foren where it is a breeze. I guess that is the reason why so many posters describe a ituation rather than include a picture. cheers Evelin Re: Floor plan help 13Sep 08, 2012 3:01 pm Evelin, try photobucket or tinypic.com ( I use tiny..too easy) copy and paste the ' IMG code' or ' forum ' link ( depend who you use) straight on to here and the pic appears. Takes 2 seconds to up load and 2 seconds to put the code on to here. Give those a go rather than imagshack. Re: Floor plan help 14Sep 09, 2012 10:28 am thanks for the new plan! I've been running through it in my head... - what size sink do you have in there. The smallest I've found is 730 and more commonly about 800. Would that increase the size of that breakfast/snack zone? It may also be able to come out slightly more but I didnt want to obstruct the walkway too much - I'm not sure about the dishwasher placement - reason being, if dirty dishes were to be left on the bench, they would be in that corner behind the sink. But if the dishwasher door is open you wouldnt be able to reach them. So perhaps the dishwasher under the drainer? And a bin cupboard next to it. - I'd probably put the microwave to the left of the cooktop. Maybe on bench in the corner. I realise that I'd have to lean over to access it but there doesnt seem to be many other locations available I really appreciate all of your help! I'll think a bit more about it and see if I have any other ideas. Thanks! Re: Floor plan help 15Sep 09, 2012 12:42 pm that's true, you would have difficulties to get things into the dishwasher. You suggest that the long section of your kitchen is 2600mm. I started with a dead corner, 650mm, next a 400mm bin, then 600mm for the cabinet and a 900mm cabinet. There is not much room for a practical solution. 2600mm is just too short. The cabinet under the sink was 600. I like large, deep sinks where things "fit in". In a small kitchen like yours, you could consider to have a sink without a drainer and use a towel instead. It leaves you with more bench space. Here another plan. I can't display a backsplash window, you have to imagine it Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ And another version of my first plan, whih had a flaw anyway. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Floor plan help 16Sep 09, 2012 12:45 pm kiwi Evelin, try photobucket or tinypic.com ( I use tiny..too easy) copy and paste the ' IMG code' or ' forum ' link ( depend who you use) straight on to here and the pic appears. Takes 2 seconds to up load and 2 seconds to put the code on to here. Give those a go rather than imagshack. thanks Kiwi, photobucket is easier and faster. Re: Floor plan help 18Sep 09, 2012 3:24 pm Wow thanks! I think kitchen design wise the top right corner works best, but there is more to consider. I think the pantry is too far away now. in the one with kitchen at bottom - what is the island width? And what is the space between bench and island? We can simulate that as that is our current kitchen location and we have a moveable island. The idea of it there is good cause in the future someone could replace study with a pantry room. I can't imagine not having a drainer but then again we currently don't have a dishwasher either In the old design 2600 side, could you do 650 blind, 400 sink, 650 dw, 400 bin, 600. That's about 1050 benchspace if the sink is hard in the corner. Could maybe go to 2700. I'd have to place a table there and see how much it blocks the flow Re: Floor plan help 19Sep 09, 2012 5:09 pm jayta Wow thanks! I think kitchen design wise the top right corner works best, but there is more to consider. I think the pantry is too far away now. that's true in the one with kitchen at bottom - what is the island width? the width is 1200, but I just saw it is too close to the wall cabinets, only 900m. But as you suggested, if it was a movable island, you could have it where you want. A plain island is very practicle, like for parties where you can have all the food laid out. And what is the space between bench and island? We can simulate that as that is our current kitchen location and we have a moveable island. The idea of it there is good cause in the future someone could replace study with a pantry room. In the old design 2600 side, could you do 650 blind, 400 sink, 650 dw, 400 bin, 600. That's about 1050 benchspace if the sink is hard in the corner. Could maybe go to 2700. I'd have to place a table there and see how much it blocks the flowideally, the space between cooktop and sick would be 1200mm workspace. But you can put your sink wherever you like In the kitchen in the right corner you have the most space and the sun comes in in the morning, very nice. Below, I moved the storage cabinets closer to the kitchen. I guess that is all, that could be done. Why do you want to move your kitchen from the present location? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Floor plan help 20Sep 10, 2012 5:31 pm thanks again for your help. We've almost come full circle and I realise that the best position for the kitchen is top right. Just need to figure out all of the details and find some extra $$ because that wall will have to come out. The main reason I wanted to put it top left is so we can DIY most of it without having to rip the house apart. But it would leave us with a lack of benchspace in that location The reason why we want to move the kitchen from its current location is that the island bench is in the way of the walkway flow through and we had also hoped to construct a new kitchen before ripping out the old one. For interest sale, would the dining table fit in the top left, near the island bench? Then the lounge could be placed on the wall bottom left, those 2 extra cabinets become an expedit and a tv mounted on the study wall above This is a very tight fit, I'm not sure if you'll be able to achieve what you've described. Would you consider accessing the separate toilet from the laundry? If so maybe… 1 24978 we need accurate dimensions as well as the number of bedrooms and bathrooms needed etc to make specific suggestions but, based on estimated rooms sizes, it could be… 1 6738 Hi Mofflepop, I would recommend finding a building designer to prepare plans, they should design to your specified budget. 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