Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 21Oct 28, 2009 1:42 pm Blog is now up - http://www.jbdave.blogspot.com/ Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 27Oct 28, 2009 7:58 pm http://www.gainsboroughhardware.com.au/ ... 290PHBB600 this explains handle orientation but the pic shows lock below, not the way i would have it unless it was a narrow stile Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 28Oct 28, 2009 10:18 pm Thanks for your comments Thudd and mac64. Have just done a quick photoshop to show why our lock can't be placed 'under' or even closer to the handles: http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx222/RedIsotope/handle_lock.jpg As you can see the lock is like a 'block' and this 'block' blocks the handle from being installed any lower. Well, this is my situation anyway...and I can see that the door guy did try to place the handles as low as possible, but alas it is blocked by the lock (and he has placed the lock too high). Hopefully the Area Manager will be calling me soon, I really wonder what he has to say. Oh by the way, what are people's opinions on the orientation of the pull-handles? Bars inside or bars on the outside? Here is the link again: [Img] Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 30Oct 29, 2009 12:55 pm I wouldn't be happy with them that high. Although the Hume doors catalogue I have, does have pictures of them done exactly like yours (also every other conceivable combination too!). I also think they should be turned around. Could they then be lowered so that they go over the lock, and you can still access it? I think you may have a hard time convincing the builder that he has done it wrong, because as i said I've seen pics of them that high. What annoys me though is that they didn't bother to ask you how exactly you wanted the door to look. It would have been easy for them to consult you on it, show you pictures of the different ways it can be done and let you make a decision. They didn't. Especially with the front door as such a feature, it can spoil the look if it's not how YOU want it. Good luck finding a solution buzz Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 31Oct 29, 2009 1:25 pm Thanks for your input buzz. Oh darn...to date I have not seen an example of pull-handles installed as high as ours. Which sort of made me quite certain I had a good arguement to get the whole thing replaced. But if you are saying that people do place them this high, then...hmmm. Yah they did not ask us and I regret not even thinking that this could be a possible issue. I have done a quick photoshop of the door with the handles the other way around and lowered so that they are over the lock. This is the conversation I had with my partner: Me: ok, how does this look? they could amend it so it's over the lock like this. Boss: ......I would rather leave them where they are. Me: Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 32Oct 29, 2009 2:04 pm Just saying I've seen them like yours before, but I think many more people would have them more centred. Maybe you could go to them with the point that you weren't consulted, and with the many different ways they can be done.... why would they assume you would want them in this position (especially as it doesn't look to be the most popular/common option). Most door pics I have seen do have them lower. Not sure if you've contacted the door people (are they Hume doors?) to find out if the lock had to be installed as high as they say, or if that is just an excuse. Even if they won't move yours, maybe they could think about how important this may be for people in the future. Yes, and maybe pigs will fly.... buzz. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 33Oct 29, 2009 2:30 pm The front door and I think all the doors actually, are Corinthian doors. Have been to their website and gone through all of their Entrance door range. Those shown with pull-handles are either exactly centered or are a little bit above center (the locks are below center). Not sure if I mentioned it before but like other people who have commented here, I don't see any strict reason specifying that the lock NEEDS to be in the center, or in any particular spot for that matter. Looking at the lock installation instructions, you can pretty much install the lock anywhere you want....but of course common sense should prevail. Quote: Even if they won't move yours, maybe they could think about how important this may be for people in the future. Yes, and maybe pigs will fly.... This reminds me of a worrying comment my SS made when I told him I was concerned that the pull-handles were too high. He said to me: SS: Nah that's how they are normally installed. It looks good. We're installing another door with these same handles and they're going to be done like this too. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 34Oct 29, 2009 2:41 pm Yes, because it would kill him to admit there are other ways of doing this and the consequences of actually letting people decide how they want their doors to look.... well, that could be dangerous.
Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 35Oct 29, 2009 3:26 pm Probably best to call Gainsborough (http://www.gainsboroughhardware.com.au) directly and enquire about the fitment of the mortice lock and whether it really does need to be centered... I have seen quite a few in the center of the door however always with the handle mounted above and below the lock... You've got me worried about mine now - although it will be a while until I see a front door! P1T Read about my building experience: http://secondhomebuild.blogspot.com Dale Alcock Homes - 'The Nautilus' in Bletchley Park, Southern River - WA Read about my Clipsal C-BUS Home Automation Project: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=20854 Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 36Oct 29, 2009 3:51 pm Hi P1T. Can I ask what kind of door furniture you are getting? Learning from this experience which I am having now, if I were you (and I were getting pull-handles back-to-back) I would have them record in writing, exactly how you would like your door furniture installed. If it is done wrong, then there is no argument. Maybe I'll give Gainsborough a buzz and see what they have to say. Thanks. Btw, I like your plan! Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 37Oct 29, 2009 4:06 pm Thanks RedIsotope. I am having a 1200mm wide entrance door and have chosen a combination pull handle front and lever rear. Not sure on the exact model numbers (I will be having a closer look...just not right now) - but it seems to be like the "Pull Handle + Lever" Image on this page: http://www.gainsboroughhardware.com.au/ ... mline.aspx P1T Read about my building experience: http://secondhomebuild.blogspot.com Dale Alcock Homes - 'The Nautilus' in Bletchley Park, Southern River - WA Read about my Clipsal C-BUS Home Automation Project: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=20854 Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 38Oct 30, 2009 12:33 pm This was really the kind of dramas we were facing when our SS told us about our door hardware. I'm glad that he contacted us before. We have the PMAD 104 door....so it has glass in it...and our issue was also with our long handles and our lock...which in our case was just the double deadlock. We worked out that we had to have our lock installed lower so that our long handles wouldn't be too high. I know it doesn't help you in the slightest as you have a mortice lock. But maybe consider changing your door handle to a shorter one, so that it looks more balanced? Our building journey has begun: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23138 Brookvale 45 by Porter Davis ************** Lead me not into temptation.....I can find the way myself. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 39Oct 30, 2009 3:03 pm Hi overwhelmed. Thanks for you comments. Ours is a Corinthian door too so your comments here confirm to me that the lock does not indeed NEED to be in the center. In regards to the pull-handles, nah I doubt we could change them at all. The builder charged us an arm for them and I very much doubt they will credit us back if we chose something smaller. Hmmm...actually they might give us smaller cheaper handles for the same cost. I'm not going to accept that at this point in time. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 40Oct 30, 2009 8:23 pm RedIsotope Oh by the way, what are people's opinions on the orientation of the pull-handles? Bars inside or bars on the outside? Here is the link again: [Img] I definitely prefer the photo on the right with the bars to the outside. Blog: http://bluemistkids.blogspot.com "Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, and professionals built the Titanic." i imagine you also have another contract with an architect? and yeah, whatever other's said about special conditions and appendices 16 16497 3 4197 Building Standards; Getting It Right! AS2047 Section 6 Page 31 speaks to Construction/Tolerances of Windows and external glazed doors in buildings Check also New South Wales Guide to Standards and Tolerances,… 12 25159 |