Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1222Aug 29, 2015 11:15 pm Hey guys, for those of you who have built or are building a double storey with our dear builder, or any builder for that matter, is it normal for steel beams to be balanced like this at the end of frame stage? http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah80/paadthai25b/Balanced%20Steel%20Beam_zpsbik2bxh3.jpg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah80/paadthai25b/IMG_1700_zpsetrfz3xd.jpg Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1223Aug 30, 2015 10:51 pm imtellinya Hey guys, for those of you who have built or are building a double storey with our dear builder, or any builder for that matter, is it normal for steel beams to be balanced like this at the end of frame stage? http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah80/paadthai25b/Balanced%20Steel%20Beam_zpsbik2bxh3.jpg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah80/paadthai25b/IMG_1700_zpsetrfz3xd.jpg Hi imtellinya, I showed these pics to my husband who's a tradie (glazier) and has worked on many new home builds. He said the only time it is acceptable to support a steel beam with timber posts is if there's steel posts supporting it elsewhere (are there any steel posts supporting the beam out of the picture that we can't see?) OR if there'll be a brick wall underneath it which will also support it. Will this be the case? If a stud wall is the only thing supporting a metal beam of this size, then this to him is totally unacceptable. Are you getting an independent building inspector? Might be a good idea by the look of this! Let us know how you go. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1224Aug 30, 2015 11:35 pm msjovi Hi imtellinya, I showed these pics to my husband who's a tradie (glazier) and has worked on many new home builds. He said the only time it is acceptable to support a steel beam with timber posts is if there's steel posts supporting it elsewhere (are there any steel posts supporting the beam out of the picture that we can't see?) OR if there'll be a brick wall underneath it which will also support it. Will this be the case? If a stud wall is the only thing supporting a metal beam of this size, then this to him is totally unacceptable. Are you getting an independent building inspector? Might be a good idea by the look of this! Let us know how you go. Thanks for your response msjovi. This is what the other end of that steel beam looks like: As you can see it is not sitting on a steel post anywhere but it is attached (bolted and/or welded - i cant tell) to another steel beam running over the back of the leisure. Is this sufficient? I'm building a Washinton 29. In fact, there are a few of us near where I am, building Washington series homes and we are all in the same situation with these steel beams. The only difference is that, in my case, there is only 60cm of steel beam resting over the timber studs (as shown in the previous pic) when it is usually closer to 10cm, as is the case in the other Washingtons. The Magestic series is very similar too. Im speaking to a private inspector and SS about it. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1225Aug 30, 2015 11:38 pm msjovi imtellinya Hey guys, for those of you who have built or are building a double storey with our dear builder, or any builder for that matter, is it normal for steel beams to be balanced like this at the end of frame stage? http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah80/paadthai25b/Balanced%20Steel%20Beam_zpsbik2bxh3.jpg http://i1377.photobucket.com/albums/ah80/paadthai25b/IMG_1700_zpsetrfz3xd.jpg Hi imtellinya, I showed these pics to my husband who's a tradie (glazier) and has worked on many new home builds. He said the only time it is acceptable to support a steel beam with timber posts is if there's steel posts supporting it elsewhere (are there any steel posts supporting the beam out of the picture that we can't see?) OR if there'll be a brick wall underneath it which will also support it. Will this be the case? If a stud wall is the only thing supporting a metal beam of this size, then this to him is totally unacceptable. Are you getting an independent building inspector? Might be a good idea by the look of this! Let us know how you go. Steel beams can be supported by timber studs. They are hardwood ones. It will depend on the load the steel beam is carrying. There is enough bearing. All steelwork within the house is designed by an engineer. An independent building inspector will only look at the engineering plans to make sure it has been built in accordance with those plans. Pretty sure an engineer has a grasp of what can hold up a steel beam... Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1226Aug 30, 2015 11:53 pm Knowitall Steel beams can be supported by timber studs. They are hardwood ones. It will depend on the load the steel beam is carrying. There is enough bearing. All steelwork within the house is designed by an engineer. An independent building inspector will only look at the engineering plans to make sure it has been built in accordance with those plans. Pretty sure an engineer has a grasp of what can hold up a steel beam... Hi Knowitall, But do you think there is enough of the steel beam on the timber stud as per the pic I uploaded? It is only 6omm. It jsut doesnt seem enough. Also, what do you mean by "there is enough bearing"? Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1227Aug 31, 2015 7:13 am imtellinya Knowitall Steel beams can be supported by timber studs. They are hardwood ones. It will depend on the load the steel beam is carrying. There is enough bearing. All steelwork within the house is designed by an engineer. An independent building inspector will only look at the engineering plans to make sure it has been built in accordance with those plans. Pretty sure an engineer has a grasp of what can hold up a steel beam... Hi Knowitall, But do you think there is enough of the steel beam on the timber stud as per the pic I uploaded? It is only 6omm. It jsut doesnt seem enough. Also, what do you mean by "there is enough bearing"? There is enough bearing - as in, the 60mm of steel beam is enough of the beam bearing weight on the stud. you won't have an issue with it. If you are concerned take it up with your SS. If he is concerned he can get an engineer to look at it... I'd be asking the experts in future and not people on a forum that really have no clue about building a home (I mean the respectfully).. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1228Aug 31, 2015 9:40 am Knowitall imtellinya Knowitall Steel beams can be supported by timber studs. They are hardwood ones. It will depend on the load the steel beam is carrying. There is enough bearing. All steelwork within the house is designed by an engineer. An independent building inspector will only look at the engineering plans to make sure it has been built in accordance with those plans. Pretty sure an engineer has a grasp of what can hold up a steel beam... Hi Knowitall, But do you think there is enough of the steel beam on the timber stud as per the pic I uploaded? It is only 6omm. It jsut doesnt seem enough. Also, what do you mean by "there is enough bearing"? There is enough bearing - as in, the 60mm of steel beam is enough of the beam bearing weight on the stud. you won't have an issue with it. If you are concerned take it up with your SS. If he is concerned he can get an engineer to look at it... I'd be asking the experts in future and not people on a forum that really have no clue about building a home (I mean the respectfully).. Some people on this forum do have experience with building homes and working on new builds. This is why this is a great place to share ideas and opinions. FYI those studs are not hardwood - they are treated pine - softwood. Look up the Boral website if you want to confirm. I have no doubt the engineer knows what they are doing. It is whether the builder has followed the plans or gone with a cheaper option that may be the issue. Which is why I agree with you that imtellinya should confirm with the SS. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1229Aug 31, 2015 12:11 pm Hi msjovi I hate to break it to you, but they ARE hardwood!!!!!! You can't just change engineers (structural) plans. You must build has per their design. I have no doubt people have experience on this forum, but if you are not sure, best not to comment. This isn't an attack on you personally, just a general comment. My opinion is to speak to the builder or SS if you have any concerns generally with your build... Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1230Aug 31, 2015 12:33 pm Knowitall Hi msjovi I hate to break it to you, but they ARE hardwood!!!!!! You can't just change engineers (structural) plans. You must build has per their design. I have no doubt people have experience on this forum, but if you are not sure, best not to comment. This isn't an attack on you personally, just a general comment. My opinion is to speak to the builder or SS if you have any concerns generally with your build... I'm talking about the blue timber: http://www.boral.com.au/productcatalogu ... roduct=274 Anyway, doesn't matter. I'm sure imtellinya will sort it out. Building with Wisdom Homes 1231Aug 31, 2015 12:43 pm Knowitall Hi msjovi I hate to break it to you, but they ARE hardwood!!!!!! You can't just change engineers (structural) plans. You must build has per their design. I have no doubt people have experience on this forum, but if you are not sure, best not to comment. This isn't an attack on you personally, just a general comment. My opinion is to speak to the builder or SS if you have any concerns generally with your build... Trusting a builder is a silly mistake. They'll tell you what you want to hear, if it means they'll save 5 cents. They'll never own up to a stuff up, unless you can prove it. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1232Aug 31, 2015 12:57 pm Extreme Knowitall Hi msjovi I hate to break it to you, but they ARE hardwood!!!!!! You can't just change engineers (structural) plans. You must build has per their design. I have no doubt people have experience on this forum, but if you are not sure, best not to comment. This isn't an attack on you personally, just a general comment. My opinion is to speak to the builder or SS if you have any concerns generally with your build... Trusting a builder is a silly mistake. They'll tell you what you want to hear, if it means they'll save 5 cents. They'll never own up to a stuff up, unless you can prove it. You just spent $350K plus and you don't trust the builder.... Hmmmm Msjovi I know the timber it is hardwood that has been treated... IMtellinya will have the structural plans just check them... Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1237Sep 01, 2015 6:01 pm addie 1231 After accepting tender, do you do kitchen and other appointments or it happens after contract signing? All the other appointments happen after contract signing. Between tender acceptance and contract signing you want to go over the house plans with a fine tooth comb and make all the changes you want (window sill heights, door frame heights etc) cos you only get one shot at it. Wisdom Homes Abode 27 KDRB - Inner West Sydney https://wisdomhomesabode27.wordpress.com/ Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1238Sep 01, 2015 7:01 pm ShuddaBeenATradie addie 1231 After accepting tender, do you do kitchen and other appointments or it happens after contract signing? All the other appointments happen after contract signing. Between tender acceptance and contract signing you want to go over the house plans with a fine tooth comb and make all the changes you want (window sill heights, door frame heights etc) cos you only get one shot at it. Thanks shuddabeenatradie. Is it true that from tender acceptance, the plan will be ready in 4-6 weeks? How long did it took on your case? Just looking at timelines etc. Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1239Sep 01, 2015 7:30 pm JPSydney It looks like Pine to me, like the rest of the house. Don't know of any builders that still use hardwood? What species of hardwood do you think it is? Aussie hardwood, probably blackbutt. The grain is different. Hardwood is smoothish, pine is tougher headed (fine grooves in it). Using hardwood is common practice when steel posts are not required... Re: Building with Wisdom Homes 1240Sep 01, 2015 8:43 pm Just catching up on posts. In light of the above concerns, has anyone used an independent inspector? 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