It sound silly but we signed the tenders but no contracts when do we get the contract?
You won't get a contract till you have finished all your variations, eg structure of the house.
Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 121Jan 31, 2014 10:04 am lalabk Hi Forg, It sound silly but we signed the tenders but no contracts when do we get the contract? You won't get a contract till you have finished all your variations, eg structure of the house. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 122Jan 31, 2014 10:08 am Thanks all just got an email from Rawson and yes it is 40 weeks so not good for me might have to get Hebel instead of bricks to shorten build time. Hebel would work out cheaper for me too. But I so like the BOWRAL blue bricks. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 123Jan 31, 2014 4:44 pm Signing the tender and paying the tender acceptance fee isn't binding you to use Rawson as a builder. It is extra money for them to prepare some plans with your changes, and any additional estimations / plan changes you'd like after that. There's a further fee to go to council or CDC and you won't get the contract prepared until after DA approval. You don't want to commit to a build without knowing that you are permitted to build the house in the first place. We signed tender acceptance in May 2013 and still don't have a contract. We can still walk away at any time, but would lose the money that we've paid to them so far. They've picked up their admin game ever so slightly in recent weeks or else I might be tempted! Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 124Jan 31, 2014 5:07 pm That is what I am scared off, them playing a game of "catch me if you can". We have sold our place now and have to move out Dec-Jan if not finish we would be on the street literally. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 125Feb 01, 2014 7:43 am lalabk, I would budget in renting somewhere for 6 months. I don't think you're going to be moving in November / December this year if you've only just gotten your first set of plans. I was at your stage 7 months ago and still don't have a contract. Now it shouldn't take this long, but they are slow with their admin. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 126Feb 01, 2014 12:22 pm We signed tender in June 2012, build started January 2013 & we got keys end of June 2013. I think things are going even slower now, so I would be allowing at least 13 months. Building Stroud 30 in Lake Macquarie Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 127Feb 02, 2014 8:08 am Well as you can see from our blog. We signed the tender in April last year, and aren't expecting to be in until late winter, early spring this year. 18 months from tender is probably a more realistic expectation no matter what builder you chose. Particular if it's a double story you're after. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 128Feb 04, 2014 5:31 pm BRICKS DELIVERED TODAY! Woo hoo! Photos on the blog! Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 129Feb 04, 2014 9:08 pm Sheridan Benjamin - did they try to get you to pay extra for going over the 120 days when you signed the contract? we had extra cost in our tender to go out to 180 days, but we've well and truly exceeded even that now. Mr Brown Bear will go mental if they try considering their delaying tactics. More air conditioning dramas - discovered the birthday bonus A/C has contradicting model numbers and kW output. Could explain how come they are installing the wrong units in many of the Rawson homes. (See other Rawson threads). Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 130Feb 05, 2014 10:14 am Hi Mrs BB, I noted that discrepancy as well when checking against the Daikin website. Trying to clarify that with our SC. Looked at your photos on the blog - one thing I've always been interested to know from others doing these builds is whether the slab is cured properly? I noted in some of your photos there are some specks on the slab - is that from the curing agent sprayed on the slab after it was poured? At least it looks like your slab had a good long time to cure before the frames went on though. I've seen from other blogs that they can go on as little as 3 days after pour?! Surely thats risking the integrity of the slab strength... All the best for your build! Will be following your progress with interest as we're still at tender stage. My first post! Be kind! regards, Tinny Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 131Feb 06, 2014 6:26 am I too have noticed how quick frames are generally constructed on fresh slabs. I'm not in any way an engineer, but I can't see this being great. Although waiting for work is a pain, ultimately we were happy to see 48 days between slab pour and frame construction. I think I remember reading somewhere in the engineering plans for ours that maximum strength of the slab is reached after about 28 days. So ours is well and truly fine. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 132Feb 06, 2014 6:33 am Mrs BB, our tender timeframe extended out over 120 days by quite a bit. In no way did Rawson ask us to pay this. Although, there were issues with our bank for a while and Rawson were aware that we were doing everything in our power to push things along. This included our broker communicating directly with Rawson about our bank issues. They should have sent us quite a large late fine/fee, however rightly so didn't choose to. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 133Feb 06, 2014 6:58 am SheridanBenjamin I too have noticed how quick frames are generally constructed on fresh slabs. I'm not in any way an engineer, but I can't see this being great. Although waiting for work is a pain, ultimately we were happy to see 48 days between slab pour and frame construction. I think I remember reading somewhere in the engineering plans for ours that maximum strength of the slab is reached after about 28 days. So ours is well and truly fine. Given that these are wooden frames we're talking about (ie. which are relatively light & also have some flexibility), and the tiny amount of movement you'd get in concrete after the first few days or so; what would the real effect of putting frames on top of the concrete after only a week? Remembering that the frames don't touch the slab much, exposure to the air can't be that much of a problem; and surely the weight of a frame isn't putting much stress onto a slab that's been allowed to cure for even only a few days? I'm not saying I know anything about it ... I just can't see how it would actually be a problem, unless they started driving heavy digging equipment or cranes all over it. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 134Feb 06, 2014 8:54 am Sorry - made my first posting mistake - addressed the wrong person! SheridanBenjamin - I was directing my post at your build! Looks like you had the benefit of the Christmas holidays and New Year to extend your slab cure time. All good! Did you notice if they had sprayed on a curing agent on top of the slab after the pour? This is supposed to assist with keeping the cement from drying out too quickly. As far as my inquiries/research has shown - its 28days to 95-98% design strength for residential slabs. How many of the builders actually do this is unknown - but I guess what I'm trying to say is: I'm not seeing anywhere near that timeframe with the exception of those lucky enough to had the pour before a long holiday break! This is just from looking at the various build progress dates that various bloggers have been kind enough to document. I wonder if we can actually ask for that in the tender contract - anyone know? Given the slab failure issues seen in some Victorian new homes in recent years, you'd have to wonder if the lack of cure time was related to it. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 135Feb 06, 2014 11:14 am we had 7 days between slab pour and frames up. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 136Feb 06, 2014 11:27 am tinny As far as my inquiries/research has shown - its 28days to 95-98% design strength for residential slabs. Hiya tinny! From your research, say it takes 28 days for concrete slabs of the average variety to cure to 95%-98% of their design strength ... do you know what effect sticking a (fairly lightweight) wooden frame on top, say after 7 days, would have? As a total noob, I just can't imagine it would have much effect, what with the frames barely being affected by wind & without all the weight of floors & walls & bricks & tiles etc etc. Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 137Feb 06, 2014 12:38 pm Hi Forg, I probably should add a disclaimer that I too, am a total noob at the game. I just read a lot We probably should consider asking an expert to contribute to this discussion on slabs. I've noticed before that there is a poster in this forum that has that qualification or has contributed to this sort of topic before. Have to find him Quoting from a govt website (http://www.yourhome.gov.au/materials/co ... lab-floors): Quote: Curing of all cement-based building materials is key to achieving the design strength and other desired properties, especially with structural concrete slabs. Concrete takes 28 days to reach the design strength, although a sufficient minimum design strength may be achieved in less time if the concrete is specified accordingly. It is essential that the curing regime specified by the design engineer is followed exactly. So what does this mean? What exactly is "design strength"? Do we as home-build purchasers get some certificate from the builder that they've built the slab to some level of strength? Or added compensation/specification to allow for a minimum strength to be reached in less time? What is enough for a frame to go on-slab in 3 days for example? or 7? Has anyone asked their builder this question? Who's noticed what level of "curing regime" has been followed at their sites? I know most people are pretty happy to see progress on their builds when the slab is poured and frames go up shortly thereafter - but I think some caution should be taken and questions asked about that rather important part of your home's foundations. Some resources: http://www.concrete.net.au/publications ... ring06.pdf http://www.holcim.com.au/products-and-s ... iques.html Boral's website to some degree also mentions curing time for their various cement grades. Keep in mind that there are different grades of cement - I don't know what's typically used in home slabs or the levels of strength used. There are the different classes of slab as well of course (M or H for example) Hope I didn't get everyone too worried about their slabs... I just don't want to find out in a couple of years after build completion that a few more days curing could have avoided any movement/cracking issues. I'd want it done right first time! Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 138Feb 06, 2014 6:26 pm We received a phone call today from our site supervisor informing us that he is moving to look after projects in a different area, and that our new SS should contact us over the next few days to introduce themselves. Within an hour our new SS contacted us to arrange a meeting and to inform of progress over the coming days. He wants to discuss a number of aspects of our house to ensure we get everything just right. We’ve only known him for a couple of hours and already he seems incredibly proactive and in search of great results. He also informed us that our wall sarking will be installed tomorrow as well as the layout of bricks around the house ready for laying from Monday morning! Everything is completely fabulous at the moment! Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 139Feb 06, 2014 7:02 pm Quote: I too have noticed how quick frames are generally constructed on fresh slabs. I'm not in any way an engineer, but I can't see this being great. Although waiting for work is a pain, ultimately we were happy to see 48 days between slab pour and frame construction. I think I remember reading somewhere in the engineering plans for ours that maximum strength of the slab is reached after about 28 days. So ours is well and truly fine. Concrete for slabs these days generally have a curing agent in them, so you will find that they do not need curing time. We had our slab laid on a Tuesday and the frames started on the Saturday. We had no cracking in the slab. You will also find that the frames that are used are light weight and would not put any stress on a slab at all. We signed our tender middle of June 2013 - handover middle July 2013 - so 13 months, but we pushed and pushed and we were only 136 days in admin and we had a break over Christmas from 12/12/12 to 22/01/13 as we were waiting for bricklayers. Modified Fernside 38 Rawson Homes Blog: http://www.thehousethatmatandjenbuilt.blogspot.com Build Thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=60501 Re: Building the Chifley with Rawson 140Feb 08, 2014 7:55 am I think you're right Jen. Timber frames are quite light weight. Driving around our estate, some houses look like they are built almost our of matchsticks. This made me feel a little more secure seeing our Rawson frame and it's visual rigidity. I can't see a frame really causing any issues for a concrete slab. If the entire house was built in a fortnight the weight could be an issue but this just isn't going to happen, unless your house was built by the 'Backyard Blitz' team. There seems to be a few weeks even for the quicker builds between slab and any intense weight being imposed on them. However I am a total noob, so I could be wrong..... Just started the Build process for Chifley 42 with Rawson homes, will keep you all posted with the Build progress. 0 2947 go upvc window frames ensure insulation under colorbond. not just sarking, lighter color roof also not sure if you have seen this viewtopic.php?t=5823 last couple of pages… 4 110934 |