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Author:  Midsomer [ Jun 03, 2012 8:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Looking to build an American/Euro house in Oz! :-)

Hi all,

My wife (Canadian) and I are looking to build a house in regional NSW, but we are looking in to the practicality of building a North American style.. Similar to the house on Modern Family as a starting point. It is amazing (please see below)

http://hookedonhouses.net/2011/03/20/mo ... ab-houses/

I particularly like the interior, the colours are so warm and elegant, the layout of the house is great.. some bathrooms I've come across are just stunning, please see below:

http://www.houseplans.com/2567-square-f ... rage-33757 (you can click more photo's under the main pic)

So, any thoughts on the practicality of it? I'd assume we'd either have to buy plans from an online site if we found something we liked, or sit with an architect and go over some ideas influenced by these types of houses..

Having never built before, I'd also assume volume builders wouldn't be interested in anything thats not under their specs, so i'd imagine to build a 'one-off' would take a lot longer then the spec builders.. Kind of like the show grand designs.. Having to chase people up all the time etc, ha-ha.. (sounds stressful already lol)

Would cost be a big factor in these types of houses? Sure some materials could be substituted, but the 'nice to have' things, under floor heating, ducted gas heating, filled insulated, etc..

Any thoughts would be great, thanks.

Author:  Forg [ Jun 03, 2012 8:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking to build an American/Euro house in Oz! :-)

IMHO the only thing that stands-out in the photos you've linked are aesthetics; timber panels, an oldey-styley looking roof, wooden highlights, window treatments etc. The insulation & heating things you mentioned, for example, are discussed pretty regularly around this forum - quite a few people are installing them.

I'd be a little surprised if, once you've identified exactly what it is you're after, you couldn't get even project-home builders to do it. Old-fashioned looking interior fittings may be a little harder to source, but they do exist; another alternative might be to work-out the bits you want next time you go visit her family, and get a great big package full of fixtures & fittings sent out?

You may have to pay extra to get the typical steep roof, as they're only really used to deal with snow.

Author:  Jen1977 [ Jun 03, 2012 8:59 pm ]
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I dont think that you would necessarily have a problem building a house like that over here. You probably would not find a project builder to build them, but you would be able to find a smaller builder to build a house.

I would suspect that you would get the package from the company you linked and then take it to an architect which would adapt the plans to suit Australia including the different building standards. Usually the architect would put it out to tender to builders.

I work for a small builder and it is these one off designs that the company that I work for would complete, however, you are probably going to pay a premium for a one off build like this.

Have a look at the Grand Designs episode in the link http://www.lifestyle.com.au/granddesign ... house.aspx the people on it built a Hamptons style house - I know it is a lot larger than what you want to build, but same principles and style. The house in the episode is on the Gold Coast and for memory was $1.2million.

Author:  SunshineT [ Jun 03, 2012 9:48 pm ]
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Great idea. And I LOVE that show. So of the 3 houses, I assume it is the first (Claire Dunphy's house), correct? I agree with Forg - you might be surprised that you could find a project home builder to build - but the key looks like the interior fittings and the pitched roof. Have you had a look at any display homes and designs? That might be a good place to start. Also think about climate though - and that in regional NSW you may have different house needs / orientation etc. than California. But I still love that you got your inspiration from that show. Look forward to watching your build!!

Author:  trayracer [ Jun 03, 2012 11:23 pm ]
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If you're looking to buy plans from the internet from an overseas site, you'd have to make sure they comply with Australian building codes. Not only that, but the design would have to be compliant with your local council LEP or complying developments.

Author:  Midsomer [ Jun 04, 2012 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking to build an American/Euro house in Oz! :-)

Thanks to everyone for your replies! I agree with the main difference being the interiors that have captured my eye, not the physical structuring of the house! It's funny you mention the older style timber panels etc.. I done some research and the house from modern family was built in 1950!

I will read some more on these forums about the insulation and what type to get, how much to install etc.. And as for the completely sealing up the house in winter, maybe we won't go that far, but will weigh up all of our options!

I've been having a look around the house i'm in now, a spec home built pretty quickly by the look of things, it's brick veneer, would this have an impact on the heat loss / winter effect? or are the windows the main factor in having a colder house? We've noticed some of the windows don't even open, also not to mention the garage door has an inch gap or so under it, makes for a cold breeze coming in!

I will do some more research, thanks for the tips regarding local council approvals etc.. I think i'll get in to contact with a local architect from the area and run some ideas by them to see if its even possible to do.

Author:  Forg [ Jun 04, 2012 8:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking to build an American/Euro house in Oz! :-)

Midsomer Midsomer
I've been having a look around the house i'm in now, a spec home built pretty quickly by the look of things, it's brick veneer, would this have an impact on the heat loss / winter effect? or are the windows the main factor in having a colder house? We've noticed some of the windows don't even open, also not to mention the garage door has an inch gap or so under it, makes for a cold breeze coming in!

Beware the conflicting information; it seems everyone's an expert & everyone has a different opinion (which includes people who work in the industry!). For example, Googling around has me finding Choice pages that reproduce recommendations from an official-sounding body that say to go for R2.5-R3.0 roof batts & R1.5 wall batts if you live in Sydney; yet talk to others about insulation & they suggest R3.5 is too low for Sydney and to get R4.0+ if you can afford it.

I am pretty confident, however, in saying that just being brick veneer doesn't necessarily mean much if the house is less than ... I dunno, 30 years old. Once upon a time, back in the olden days, having double-brick with a cavity in the middle was probably the best insulation you could get; these days there're better & cheaper ways of doing it. So a brick veneer construction house these days isn't necessarily poorly insulated; however, it's kinda optional how much insulation it gets (and rules forcing people to insulate aren't that old - meaning plenty of newish-looking houses aren't particularly well insulated). Don't forget that if something is an extra cost, and you're building a house to rent-out to people, decent insulation is probably going to be a waste of money (at least until renters start getting fussy about star-ratings :) ), and a place you rent is quite likely to have as few optional extras included when it was built - especially if they're invisible options like insulation (ie. hard to use it as a selling-point to renters if you can't see it).

Everything adds up though. Windows can allow heat out if they're just a simple pane of glass, but windows can also be fitted such that there are gaps between frames & walls (which allows draughts as well as leaking heat).

One approach we're considering taking is to get a plan from a project home builder, modified to suit us (which isn't a super fast process), and then get an architect to spend a bit of time making suggestions (or completely writing it off - in which case I guess we'll start from scratch). We've had a builder & draftesman come up with a previous iteration of a plan for us ... and to be honest, I don't think I'd try that route, the result ended-up not actually fitting on the land legally & to look at it there was just something missing, it's hard to put my finger on but it sorta looked like Duplo compared to even project-home designs looking like Lego.

Just one extra thought ... if it's the all-wood interiors you see in the aforementioned (US)-New-Englandy-style houses you're after, then you could indeed be up for a fair bit of extra moulah. That stuff's fairly time-intensive to build/install; "unfortunately" in Australia we pay our tradesfolk & labourers enough money to live on (*grumble* regardless of whether they do a sh0ddy job), so getting interior trimmings & wood-panel stuff is disproportionately expensive ... if [i]that is the sort of thing you had in mind. But ... well, an architect should be able to give you an idea of the costs involved, I guess.

Author:  Midsomer [ Jun 05, 2012 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Looking to build an American/Euro house in Oz! :-)

Very informative reply, thank you! I had an feeling we would have to speak with an architect to see what is involved with our plans..

The only problem is now, the real estate has told me that the block i'm interested in has a single storey covenant on it... HOWEVER, as I was writing that, the local council planning dept rang me back to tell me that isn't council policy, so there is potential to over-turn that ruling? hm........ 8) see what happens now..

Author:  Forg [ Jun 05, 2012 10:04 am ]
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Are there other blocks around?

I ask because in NSW there's a "Complying Development" scheme/policy/whatever, all the councils got together with the state gumbyment & came up with a unified set of rules for building standards. There are exceptions of course, but it seemed that in our case it was easier to meet these "Complying Development" rules than to meet council ones.

However - if you go down the Complying Development path, then you must comply 100%. If you don't, you instead have to go via council rules. Councils allow variations, but if you go under Complying Development rules no variations are allowed.

I guess it's best to look at everything involved before buying; those Complying Development rules may not be the best way, when it comes to what you want. Or maybe they might. Googling should find your local council's development plan online, and the "A Guide To Complying Development" (April 2011 I think) is definitely available online too.

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