Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Mar 01, 2019 8:31 pm My partner and I have looked everywhere but haven't been able to find an itemised invoice for a build. I really want to see a comprehensive list of what each individual thing costs rather than the total that builders seem to quote. Anyone have a good resource for that? Many thanks. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 2Mar 01, 2019 9:31 pm What you want is a detailed estimate. What state are you in? Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Itemised Build Invoice 4Mar 02, 2019 12:12 am This generally can be provided by quantity surveyor. Only few builders do it. Itemised BIM-based invoices, full online traceability of the build (high-res build progress photos, independent inspection stage reports, etc.) which are shared with the current owners and future owners, building inspectors and government authorities should become standard. It is not very hard practices to implement, but can change the shape of the building industry. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 5Mar 02, 2019 7:26 am Builders don't give price specific breakdowns because Clients 1.Queries Prices 2.Compare & Shop prices around 3.Post them on the internet 4.Builders substitute cheaper materials and construction during the build 5.Builders keep profit margins when crediting back items 6.7 etc Bim Won't be mandated, as there are no Standards, Architectural Bim where it all started ( Rendered Images) is used for sales/Marketing purposes only for sucking in Battlers & Punters, that is where it ends, no data and costs from builders When designing use 3D AEC BIM Models, always ask for Engineering & Construction Bim, Data & Proofs , own copyright, get 3 builders quotes, re-tender and beat them at their own game. good luck Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Itemised Build Invoice 6Mar 03, 2019 11:45 am As a builder I would not give it to you, its none of your business what the break up is. If you were the builder you would do the same. Estimate details is builder's commercial secret. Why would you want it? Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Itemised Build Invoice 7Mar 03, 2019 12:02 pm building-expert As a builder I would not give it to you, its none of your business what the break up is. If you were the builder you would do the same. Estimate details is builder's commercial secret. Why would you want it? I would disagree. Builders are not producers/manufacturers, only project managers and hence, should be able to provide breakdowns, schedules and estimates when requested. Their commercial secrets (margins?) will remain with them as they will be providing breakdown/estimates with margin already accounted. Accurate breakdowns, on the other side, will be also a good measure to use to compare builders competencies on a competitive market. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 8Mar 03, 2019 9:06 pm building-expert As a builder I would not give it to you, its none of your business what the break up is. If you were the builder you would do the same. Estimate details is builder's commercial secret. Why would you want it? What I'm employing people for is quite literally the definition of my business. But you seem like a stand up guy, would you be interested in building my house? I'll blindly give you whatever money want provided you don't tell me what you spend it on. Seriously though I want to know where my money is going. Why is that unreasonable? It seems ludicrous to make what is possibly the biggest financial commitment of your life without knowing exactly what you're paying for. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 9Mar 03, 2019 9:58 pm You got it wrong. You are presenting the builder with the plans and specifications of what you want, builder provides you with the price for it. That's it. Alternatively builder is presenting you with the design and construction package for the price. That's it. You are paying the price of the package, you know what you are getting. In a lump sum contract you don't need to know any more, I would not give you any more information but there are always stupid builders around that do and then they seed the seeds of possible disputes, then they call me to help them out. Alternatively in a schedule of rates contract you will know the price of every item but you won't know the final price. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Itemised Build Invoice 10Mar 03, 2019 10:49 pm building-expert As a builder I would not give it to you, its none of your business what the break up is. If you were the builder you would do the same. Estimate details is builder's commercial secret. Why would you want it? Agree. It’s pretty pointless to get everything itemised when you have a design and a list of all the inclusions and the final price. You’re either happy because it fits your budget so you proceed, or you change things until it fits your budget. Doesn’t really matter what the breakdown is, it either suits or it doesn’t. You always have the option of owner builder, then you’ll know, but at a different cost. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 11Mar 05, 2019 2:59 pm Know what Tubs is getting at, It's that uneasy feeling one gets in dealing with the local building industry. A cheque for half a million or so in one hand and a deal of concern about what's coming in return. More and more, the experience is beginning to feel like buying a motor up on the Parra Road. Ayoh, how many of us end up saying "bugger it" and return to the ready-built market? And what a temptation that is in today's real estate situation! Re: Itemised Build Invoice 12Mar 05, 2019 8:45 pm You'll never get an itemized bill I doubt. The problem is, if the builder goes over on one part of the build and under on another part, then of course most clients will want the builder to refund where they went under but wear the part when they went over. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 13Mar 06, 2019 9:25 am I'm curious. Those asking for an itemised bill, do you also get one for every nut, bolt and kg of steel when buying a car? You are buying a product when buying a house. It is a competitive world. I work in an engineering consultancy and we design multi million dollar mining projects. Labour rates, overheads and all other costing are commercial-in-confidence. If not our competitors would undercut by a few dollars and we would be out of work. I think the real issue being discussed here is the amount of * builders that haven't been weeded out causing mistrust. We should hire a builder based on trust and good reputation, not cheapest price. You would be shocked at the amount of costs builders have to bear (multiple insurances, work cover, licence and registration fees etc etc). Those all have to be rolled into overheads. You can get itemised prices if you go owner builder and hire a project manager etc; you'll have control over every dollar. If however you have engaged a builder who has won the project because they have say a price advantage from a supplier over another builder they can't lose that by making public their pricing structure. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 14Mar 06, 2019 11:55 am tubnauts My partner and I have looked everywhere but haven't been able to find an itemised invoice for a build. I really want to see a comprehensive list of what each individual thing costs rather than the total that builders seem to quote. Anyone have a good resource for that? Many thanks. You need to understand that residential building industry is unlike any other industry. So if you can't accept that better don't build else a lot of heartache.. Its the only industry that every blame can be easily pass to clients. The funny thing though. When we build a house we can be very pick. But the moment you buy a 2nd hand house.. you are willing to accept of defects. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 15May 15, 2023 7:13 pm tubnauts building-expert As a builder I would not give it to you, its none of your business what the break up is. If you were the builder you would do the same. Estimate details is builder's commercial secret. Why would you want it? What I'm employing people for is quite literally the definition of my business. But you seem like a stand up guy, would you be interested in building my house? I'll blindly give you whatever money want provided you don't tell me what you spend it on. Seriously though I want to know where my money is going. Why is that unreasonable? It seems ludicrous to make what is possibly the biggest financial commitment of your life without knowing exactly what you're paying for. Australian Consumer Law (ACL) states that: consumers are entitled to an invoice that includes - how the price was worked out, - the number of labour hours, - hourly rate, - materials used, - the amount charged for them While some builders may not like this, they are an Australian business and not above the law. They are required by law to provide an itemised invoice when requested to do so by the client. When builders don’t comply, a complaint should be lodged by the client with the ACCC or the relevant body within each state. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 16May 15, 2023 7:16 pm tubnauts My partner and I have looked everywhere but haven't been able to find an itemised invoice for a build. I really want to see a comprehensive list of what each individual thing costs rather than the total that builders seem to quote. Anyone have a good resource for that? Many thanks. Australian Consumer Law (ACL) states that: consumers are entitled to an invoice that includes - how the price was worked out, - the number of labour hours, - hourly rate, - materials used, - the amount charged for them While some builders may not like this, they are an Australian business and not above the law. They are required by law to provide an itemised invoice when requested to do so by the client. When builders don’t comply, a complaint should be lodged by the client with the ACCC or the relevant body within each state. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 17May 15, 2023 7:19 pm tubnauts My partner and I have looked everywhere but haven't been able to find an itemised invoice for a build. I really want to see a comprehensive list of what each individual thing costs rather than the total that builders seem to quote. Anyone have a good resource for that? Many thanks. Moreover, builders refusing to provide itemised bills, may be investigated by the relevant body, and could run the risk of losing their license if refusing to be transparent. Re: Itemised Build Invoice 18May 15, 2023 10:32 pm Hans Kooij tubnauts My partner and I have looked everywhere but haven't been able to find an itemised invoice for a build. I really want to see a comprehensive list of what each individual thing costs rather than the total that builders seem to quote. Anyone have a good resource for that? Many thanks. Australian Consumer Law (ACL) states that: consumers are entitled to an invoice that includes - how the price was worked out, - the number of labour hours, - hourly rate, - materials used, - the amount charged for them While some builders may not like this, they are an Australian business and not above the law. They are required by law to provide an itemised invoice when requested to do so by the client. When builders don’t comply, a complaint should be lodged by the client with the ACCC or the relevant body within each state. So next time I go to Coles and do my shopping I can request an itemised invoice with all the details noted above? Can you please provide the reference to this ACL. I can pretty much guarantee you are incorrect. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Itemised Build Invoice 19May 15, 2023 11:58 pm chippy Hans Kooij tubnauts My partner and I have looked everywhere but haven't been able to find an itemised invoice for a build. I really want to see a comprehensive list of what each individual thing costs rather than the total that builders seem to quote. Anyone have a good resource for that? Many thanks. Australian Consumer Law (ACL) states that: consumers are entitled to an invoice that includes - how the price was worked out, - the number of labour hours, - hourly rate, - materials used, - the amount charged for them While some builders may not like this, they are an Australian business and not above the law. They are required by law to provide an itemised invoice when requested to do so by the client. When builders don’t comply, a complaint should be lodged by the client with the ACCC or the relevant body within each state. So next time I go to Coles and do my shopping I can request an itemised invoice with all the details noted above? Can you please provide the reference to this ACL. I can pretty much guarantee you are incorrect. https://www.accc.gov.au/business/sellin ... f-purchase Re: Itemised Build Invoice 20May 16, 2023 12:03 am Hans Kooij chippy Hans Kooij Australian Consumer Law (ACL) states that: consumers are entitled to an invoice that includes - how the price was worked out, - the number of labour hours, - hourly rate, - materials used, - the amount charged for them While some builders may not like this, they are an Australian business and not above the law. They are required by law to provide an itemised invoice when requested to do so by the client. When builders don’t comply, a complaint should be lodged by the client with the ACCC or the relevant body within each state. So next time I go to Coles and do my shopping I can request an itemised invoice with all the details noted above? Can you please provide the reference to this ACL. I can pretty much guarantee you are incorrect. https://www.accc.gov.au/business/sellin ... f-purchase “If asked, businesses must provide an itemised bill for a service. […] Businesses must give an itemised bill for services if asked Consumers can request an itemised bill or account for a service. If a consumer asks for this, the business must provide it within 7 days. Consumers have up to 30 days after receiving the original bill to ask for an itemised version. An itemised bill must show: how the price was worked out the number of labour hours and hourly rate, if relevant materials used and the amount charged for them, if relevant.“ Hi, I am approaching end of the build. My final invoice will be given to me soon to pay. Some context before I ask my question. 1. My builder wont do the landscaping or… 0 4132 Hi Need to read your contract about when final payment is received. Clearly outlines what happens. In vic, known defects or incomplete work must be completed before… 3 1787 Thank you so much everyone. This all makes a lot of sense. I guess when you talk to a builder who butters up everything to look very polished, you get to start believing… 7 19866 |