Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Dec 04, 2022 11:27 am Hi All, Need advice on what render system I should use for a French provincial style home that has the French cut out lines running all around the facade. See attached photo samples of what I am referring to with the horizontal lines. These lines will be created/formed with a trowel from my understanding when the render is wet, however I am told when using Acrylic Texture Finish system it will be very difficult/impossible to create these lines due to the little play area to create the straight lip of the lines. I am told I would have to go with the non-textured still using Acrylic render but sponge finish for it to be smoother? and then apply a 3-coat paint system as not having the particles inside the textured finish will allow a smoother easier sharper edge. Can someone advise me if this is true and that it would NOT be possible or easy to create sharp clean edge lines with Acrylic Texture Finish? We really wanted to Acrylic Texture Finish on the home WITH these render lines. Which render system is best for this and achievable as I am confused; 1. Acrylic Render + Acrylic Texture Finish + 1 coat Paint 2. Acrylic Render (Sponge Finish) + 3 Coat Paint Is there much of a price difference between these two options as I need to know if I should be expecting some funds back for either system. If anyone has some advice to reply, or know some render expert I can discuss this with please that would be much appreciated. Thanks! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 2Dec 04, 2022 7:17 pm I think they probably first apply normal base render (eg sand cement based) then cut out the lines in it and then use acrylic render as a finishing layer over? You generally don't need paint with acrylic render finishing layer as it is already integrated into it? Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 3Dec 04, 2022 7:57 pm The bricks are recessed 20mm for the grooves There be an extra over charge for the brickwork, sand renderings and finishing texture coat. The curved moulding are cut/routered from aerated blocks , pined and glued Good luck with the costings Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 4Dec 04, 2022 11:20 pm Thanks for the replies guys. I forgot to add we have hebel walls (not brick) and was advised we cannot cut/recess into them to create the lines. So I guess this is what I meant by creating those render French lines whilst the render is still wet and malleable to work a trowel through it to create those thick lines (as seen in the photos above). I think your right there is always some sort of base render coat, then either acrylic texture coat finish (with tint colour mixed into it), OR base render coat, and then a normal acrylic (non texture) sponge finished coat + 3 coat paint. I have been advised it’s very difficult to create these lines deep enough within the texture coat finish (due to hebel not being able to be recessed/cut). So I have little room to run the trowel through the render and a little bit into the hebel to create the lip for the lines, apparently the texture coat finish is very hard to work with to create these sharp lines, and so I have been advised to go without texture coat. Was hoping someone has been in this exact situation/scenario and what they ended up doing. Cheers Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 5Dec 05, 2022 8:42 am dom0387 Thanks for the replies guys. I forgot to add we have hebel walls (not brick) and was advised we cannot cut/recess into them to create the lines. So I guess this is what I meant by creating those render French lines whilst the render is still wet and malleable to work a trowel through it to create those thick lines (as seen in the photos above). I think your right there is always some sort of base render coat, then either acrylic texture coat finish (with tint colour mixed into it), OR base render coat, and then a normal acrylic (non texture) sponge finished coat + 3 coat paint. I have been advised it’s very difficult to create these lines deep enough within the texture coat finish (due to hebel not being able to be recessed/cut). So I have little room to run the trowel through the render and a little bit into the hebel to create the lip for the lines, apparently the texture coat finish is very hard to work with to create these sharp lines, and so I have been advised to go without texture coat. Was hoping someone has been in this exact situation/scenario and what they ended up doing. Cheers Aerated concrete can be cut and machined, the problem is when they give you the final quote you'll realise you've been ripped $100K Plus .Layering a thick sand based render isn't a good idea either, while acrylic paint is 3mm, so back to the way it was done originally and that is brickwork. If they can't do it as per the photo then ask for a refund. Looks like another case of fake image renderings later in the detailing/ quoting process you realise not only are you running out of money, it can't be done. OT, you can tell it's a Fake image by the surrounding Forrest. Artists love green washing, LOL, they think they are doing something positive for the environment (humour) Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 6Dec 05, 2022 4:50 pm yes bricks recessed i thought Hebel were selling a routed panel so I would enquire about routing panels on site. May get 10mm depth In your pictures that is easily textured finished. Running a "tool" through the render is generally a "hash" line, and you need thickness in render or "time" to be able to tool, clean up the edges, sponge finish then paint. Finer line than in your pictures. Site mixed sand & cement, can be oxide tinted, 10-15mm thickness with a dash coat on Hebel, 5mm thickness is maximum. Always want 2 coats of paint, don't let renderer do it as will only do 1. Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 7Dec 06, 2022 12:16 am Hi All, Just to clarify, The problem is not recessing the hebel or brick, even if I could do that the problem will still exist. The problem being the Acrylic Texture Finish coating is apparently not suitable to create these lines very well due to the nature of the product being difficult to run a trowel through it to create the lip whilst keeping the surface of the facade walls clean and not going over them again. We have decided to stick with the recommendation from the renderer to use the alternative option that is Acrylic render (sponge finish) then 3 coats of paint. There is NO sand cement render being used on the house at all. Which is a good thing. Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 8Dec 06, 2022 9:55 am dom0387 There is NO sand cement render being used on the house at all. Which is a good thing. You put the French provincial detailing up and how is No sand cement render a good thing? personally I'm not a fan of Tuscan sponge rendered finish it lacks feature details. Over a period of time It's going to look distressed and run down..not that there is anything wrong with that, if it's your taste. my2c Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 9Dec 06, 2022 2:51 pm StructuralBIMGuy dom0387 There is NO sand cement render being used on the house at all. Which is a good thing. You put the French provincial detailing up and how is No sand cement render a good thing? personally I'm not a fan of Tuscan sponge rendered finish it lacks feature details. Over a period of time It's going to look distressed and run down..not that there is anything wrong with that, if it's your taste. my2c Hey mate, we are using Acrylic render from what I am told no sand or cement. We are not using Tuscan sponge render, from what I can see in google images that is a very specific type of render styling. We are using the more traditional style of render used these days but just no Acrylic Texture Coat. We are using Acrylic render as the bases plus the second layer, then 3 coat paint system. The rendered lines will be troweled through the render when wet. I would have preferred Acrylic texture coat but I am told it’s not logically possible to achieve a great result of the lines using that product as it’s not designed to be used for this application. Re: Acrylic Render with Texture Finish + Paint System 10Dec 06, 2022 5:05 pm yes Chris, a mess no sand and cement in Acrylic Render? gotta be joking surely no way can achieve what have presented in pictures by running trowel through render if have a line in basecoat, then textured finish follows that line, renderers do it everyday at weep hole breaker get an exact specification and a sample panel completed, painted. Suggestions please for acrylic rendering Color to match austral brick urban one pepper. Pic for reference. Thanks 0 5267 Has anyone had experience with using this surfacing? I have read it can stain easily. 0 5898 Building Standards; Getting It Right! But they didn't even leave it at one level it goes up and down along the whole front of the house 4 11177 |