Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Feb 08, 2014 7:25 pm We were looking at having a pivot door as our front door, however it was pointed out to me today that you can not have a screen door in front of it due to the door pivoting out front of it. That makes sense to me in a way, but thought there must be some way of putting up a screen door so that you leave your pivot door open for ventilation through the house. So what do people with pivot doors do for when they want to let the air in, but flies/mosquitos/local hoodlums out (or at least deterred) from getting inside ? Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 2Feb 08, 2014 10:06 pm great question. Interested to see solutions Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 3Feb 09, 2014 1:50 am Open windows. The prob is that it will also spoil the look of the front door I feel if you have a screen. You pay so much for a pivot door . Seems a shame to cover it. Maybe you have introduce airflow another way. Having your front door open is not the only way. I thought airflow work on relative pressure?? Interested in the answers and a great question. Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 4Feb 09, 2014 7:02 am Are you specifically after the pivot door or just a 1200mm wide door? Places like Wisdom do 1200 wide doors on hinges so that would allow you put a screen door on the front. Also the pivot actually reduces the width of the opening as the pivot point is about 150mm in from the edge. I'd say the pivot is more durable though and places the weight of the door on the floor rather than the jamb. As mentioned above though why get a great looking door if its going to be hidden by a screen? I'm getting the door,pivot hinge and swapping the screen for a rolled up newspaper. http://camdenbuild.blogspot.com.au/ by invite only please pm me Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 5Feb 09, 2014 7:47 am I guess you could try one of those concertina doors - very light screen. But - it may be a door you just can't leave open like this. We have an issue with our wooden stacker doors. Getting a good screen door when we have them open is not easy. Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 6Feb 09, 2014 9:30 am AussieMark Open windows. The prob is that it will also spoil the look of the front door I feel if you have a screen. You pay so much for a pivot door . Seems a shame to cover it. Maybe you have introduce airflow another way. Having your front door open is not the only way. I thought airflow work on relative pressure?? This is one of the things we were wondering, how will we otherwise get the air flow from the front of the house out the back, as that's the way the natural breeze runs on the block. Opening up windows in other rooms on the front of the house creates another issue, with the rooms the windows are open in must have the doors open too, and all the changes of direction the breeze has to make would mean a more turbulent air flow whilst slowing it down. Another suggestion that was made to me was to put the screen lined up with the actual front of the house, as the door itself is set back in by about a metre from the face of the house, you can see the house plans at http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/house-plans.html I love the look and feel of a pivot door, and it was to be our extravagance item for the house, but reality it might end up being hidden from view by a screen door. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 7Feb 09, 2014 9:40 am robbie55 Are you specifically after the pivot door or just a 1200mm wide door? Places like Wisdom do 1200 wide doors on hinges so that would allow you put a screen door on the front. Also the pivot actually reduces the width of the opening as the pivot point is about 150mm in from the edge. I'd say the pivot is more durable though and places the weight of the door on the floor rather than the jamb. As mentioned above though why get a great looking door if its going to be hidden by a screen? I'm getting the door,pivot hinge and swapping the screen for a rolled up newspaper. It was the pivot door, but it's looking more like a 1200mm door on hinges. I've never particulary liked double doors on the front, as you need to make extra effort to open both up, and normally you've only got the width of a 820mm or less door with them. I'm guessing the hinges would be 4 heavy duty hinges for a 1200mm door. The only other way a pivot door would work with a screen door in front of it would be if the pivot frame is deep enough for the pivot side of it to open within its frame, and I don't think I've seen any that do. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 8Feb 09, 2014 9:50 am Saint Mike I guess you could try one of those concertina doors - very light screen. But - it may be a door you just can't leave open like this. We have an issue with our wooden stacker doors. Getting a good screen door when we have them open is not easy. Haven't seen those concertina screen doors you mention, but that might be an option. Leave them open when the front door is closed, to show off the front door, and pull them across as needed. If this doesn't work, I might as well save some money and not get a pivot door, but get a hinged door of the same 1200mm width. I haven't ordered the frame for the house yet, so I've still got options available to me as far as changing front door styles. I considered stacker doors from the kitchen/lounge area in to the alfresco, and the was the show stopper, I couldn't see any viable way to keep the bugs outside, so have gone for a sliding door instead. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 9Feb 09, 2014 11:06 am Hi, We have a pivot door & have added a security screen door. They just add an extra frame on the outside of the current door jamb & mount the screen door on it. Just get a couple of screen door co's out for a quote & they will explain what is required. Our security screen door cost $1500? supplied & fitted. Got a life, just can't find it! Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 10Feb 09, 2014 12:39 pm nrh157 Hi, We have a pivot door & have added a security screen door. They just add an extra frame on the outside of the current door jamb & mount the screen door on it. Our security screen door cost $1500? supplied & fitted. I thought there must have been a way of doing it, but $1500 for just a screen door ? ... seems a long way out of the ballpark to me. I think I might make some contact with the pivot door people, and see what they can come back with, perhaps they might have already experienced some requests for deeper frames so that people can put screen doors on. Oh, went to the big green shed today, and they had a pivot door there, and the pivot end of it only just got to the edge of the frame with the door fully open, so perhaps my concerns have already been answered ? Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 11Feb 09, 2014 1:27 pm 1500 for the screen door sounds right. My pivot door is 1400 wide X 26 courses and I am budgeting around the 6K mark. I like the look of the pivot door and it suits the front area better than two doors, IMHO, for my build. Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 12Feb 09, 2014 1:32 pm Brendan, setting a screen back by 1m may not be enough. You may need a little more space. Is the screen for looks, I think it could be nice. I doubt it will stop flies and mossies though. Are you having a portico over the front door and landing?? Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 13Feb 09, 2014 2:20 pm It is a bit like a portico I guess, but the idea of the screen door is for ventilation without the flies and other bugs getting in. As usual, the screen door is to be on the outward side of the door, so that's when I thought I might be able to put it flush with the front edge of the house, rather than immediately infront of the door. This would give close to a 1m space between the two doors. Although I think it will make the screen door a lot more expensive, as it'll have significantly more material used in the making of it. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 14Feb 09, 2014 2:37 pm I've got the 1200 door on 4 hinges and it has already shifted off its hinges once and had to be fixed. Only been in the house 1.5 months! So if you are to leave it open you need to get one of those holders that stick out from the wall which will securely hold it open. Anything you can think of to support it while open would be good. Quite a few people in our estate have put the crimsafe security screens in front of their 1200 wide doors and it does sort of spoil the look...no one here seems to have it on the pivot though Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 15Feb 09, 2014 2:54 pm Seems like no matter what I do, it'll spoil the look of the large door by having a screen door in front of it. That's surprising that your 1200mm door has 'shifted off its hinges' after just 6 weeks. Are you saying that the weight of the door has twisted the door frame or is the door itself falling out of shape ?? Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 17Feb 09, 2014 5:04 pm A lot of the cost in a pivot door is the mechanism as it has to support and hold the weight of the door. BPratt I think I would wait and see how the flow is. Too be honest it may be easier to leave the windows in study and or bedroom adjacent to the front door open along with their doors and the back slider to the alfresco. That is a free solution to try and if it doesnt work then look to spend. May I ask why there is a door to the media room. Will that be a bed-sit one day that requires a separate entry. (PM me if you mind the off topic) Cheers Mark Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 18Feb 09, 2014 7:17 pm AussieMark A lot of the cost in a pivot door is the mechanism as it has to support and hold the weight of the door. BPratt I think I would wait and see how the flow is. Too be honest it may be easier to leave the windows in study and or bedroom adjacent to the front door open along with their doors and the back slider to the alfresco. That is a free solution to try and if it doesnt work then look to spend. That's not a bad idea, the bedroom you mention is the 'guest bedroom' as such, and the study is my home office/radio shack, so there will be times when I'll be having the a/c running in there on the hotter days... although if it is a hot day chances are the a/c will be going in the living/kitchen area with the doors closed. As you might notice, the bedrooms, laundry, bathroom, and dunny can be shut off from the main part of the house with the door from the living room, and that will allow that section of the house to breathe without the a/c busting a gut. It would be great if we can get sufficient air through the house by those two lots of windows, as that'll mean the pivot door will remain the key feature on the front of the house. Quote: May I ask why there is a door to the media room. Will that be a bed-sit one day that requires a separate entry. (PM me if you mind the off topic) It gives more ventilation to the HT room, as well as giving direct access for guests in to the HT room without trudging through the house, or simply to go outside for a 'breath of fresh air', i.e. smoking. No one smokes in my house, but they're welcome to do so outside. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 19Feb 10, 2014 7:56 am The comments about the 1200mm wide door - pivot vs hinge would come down to the weight for sure. A standard 920mm solid timber or timber and glass combo door is pretty heavy but 1200mm wide would put an enormous strain on both the hinges and frame so I'm not surprised of problems encountered should you go down this track. We are finalising plans for our upcoming build and our front door will probably be a double door combo of 920mm + 420mm. We are also having a highlight awning window above this that is 300mm high which in combination with other windows on the front of the house should provide enough ventilation in my opinion. We are having an animated discussion about a security screen on the front as well. I don't want one, the other half does but as someone else mentioned our front door will be set back 1000mm from the front of the house so there is scope to put one there if we wish. The one thing I like about this idea though is that on a hot night you can leave the front door open with a cooling breeze blowing through your house and it is secure. Some of the concertina and rollaway screens we've seen are also designed to just keep the insects out but won't provide security against intruders. Stewie Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 20Feb 10, 2014 8:37 am Thanks Stewie, looks like there's really only one option for a 1200mm wide door, and that's a pivot door. The cooling breeze is something that I'd really like to have, as it doesn't have any ongoing running costs that an a/c has, and on this block each time I've been there, it does have a nice afternoon breeze coming up the hill to it. As AussieMark has said, using the windows in the other rooms might be all we need to do to have sufficient breeze flowing through the house. I do hope that will work, as it would be a massive shame to hide the door behind a screen door. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . You have no photo with your post. Best I can say is to remove an A&L flyscreen don't be afraid to distort the frame almost like a trapezium. It doesn't take a lot of… 1 7070 DIY, Home Maintenance & Repair Follow up question - any ideas on how to set up a portable air conditioner through this kind of window? 1 6235 |