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neil100
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PostPosted: May 20, 2009 3:59 pm 
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Hi all,

first post after doing a lot of reading.

We are looking to replace our two bay windows, which are timber, and basically rotten.

I was wondering what sort of ball park figure it would cost to replace them in

a) timber
b) uPVC
c) aluminium

and what people thought about how the aesthetics would be changed using each of these options?

The other important thing for us is that following replacement, we would want to guarantee we could re-use
the plantation shutters fitted to the inside - is this possible with uPVC and aluminium ?

I have (hopefully) attached some pictures to show what I am trying to do and approximate measurements.

Thanks everyone

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ed @ ecoclassic
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I have no idea how they are positioned structurally - is there a stud at each corner? Looks like each is 3 separate windows.

Personally - unless you plan to replace the rest of your facade, I would stick to timber (wait... did I just say t-i-m-b-e-r ::surprise:: )

If it has studs at the corners it's fairly simple. Guessing $3,000 each bay including installation.

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neil100
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Hi Ed

Sorry, but what do you mean by "stud" at each corner.

Would I be able to get double glazed units with timber ?

Thanks for the reply.

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ed @ ecoclassic
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neil100 wrote:
Hi Ed

Sorry, but what do you mean by "stud" at each corner.

Would I be able to get double glazed units with timber ?

Thanks for the reply.

Neil


Hi

A stud is the vertical timber in your house frame. I am guessing that your bay window is 3 separate windows nailed into the house frame, rather than a complete assembled bay window.

Yes, they do double glazed timber windows.

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neil100
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ed @ EcoClassic wrote:
. Guessing $3,000 each bay including installation.

Ed


Wow ! - i'd be pretty happy with that sort of price.

Anyone else thinking in this ball park ?

Thanks

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neil100
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ed @ EcoClassic wrote:
Personally - unless you plan to replace the rest of your facade, I would stick to timber (wait... did I just say t-i-m-b-e-r ::surprise:: )

Ed


Hi Ed

Just curious why you think this? Is it because you
Think upvc would look out of place?

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ed @ ecoclassic
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neil100 wrote:
ed @ EcoClassic wrote:
Personally - unless you plan to replace the rest of your facade, I would stick to timber (wait... did I just say t-i-m-b-e-r ::surprise:: )

Ed


Hi Ed

Just curious why you think this? Is it because you
Think upvc would look out of place?

Regards

Neil


The weight of the timber sections balance between ground & 1st floor, & you can easily paint timber any colour.

To change just the ground floor to PVC will mean you will need to paint your timber windows to match. And you will need to accept the different look.

If you plan to eventually replace all facade windows, then go with PVC IMO.

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neil100
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[/quote]


If you plan to eventually replace all facade windows, then go with PVC IMO.

Ed[/quote]

This might be a possibility, however, one of my caveats is that we can re-use out internal plantation shutters.

What's your take on whether

a) uPVC windows could be made to a similar sort of design as the existing timber ones
b) we can re-attach the shutters to uPVC windows

Many thanks Ed.

Neil


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ed @ ecoclassic
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neil100 wrote:


If you plan to eventually replace all facade windows, then go with PVC IMO.

Ed

This might be a possibility, however, one of my caveats is that we can re-use out internal plantation shutters.

What's your take on whether

a) uPVC windows could be made to a similar sort of design as the existing timber ones
b) we can re-attach the shutters to uPVC windows

Many thanks Ed.

Neil


Hi Neil

uPVC windows are not in any way customisable except for size. Having said that the profiles replicate heavy timber. Best bet is to measure your jambs, to get a feel for the differences.

Same goes for your plantation shutters. I would think that the top, bottom and side rails could be cut to fit within reason. So measure and check it out. If the shutters were to be too small then that would be a problem, but too big maybe they can be trimmed. Hopefully they are timber?

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[/quote]

uPVC windows are not in any way customisable except for size.

Ed[/quote]

Hi again Ed,

for a bay window then, which I understamd is essentially 3 spearate windows, how (using uPVC)
would the two side windows be joined to the middle window to provide a seal ?
Would a uPVC bay window be installed as 3 separate windows, or as 1 complete unit ?

Many thanks

(oh, not sure if you follow football, but congrats on Sunderland staying up and with Newcastle going down
it must have been pretty wild up on Tyneside!)


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neil100 wrote:

(oh, not sure if you follow football, but congrats on Sunderland staying up and with Newcastle going down
it must have been pretty wild up on Tyneside!)


Hey - that's great... haway the lads... ::

Now what was your question again :D

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neil100 wrote:

for a bay window then, which I understamd is essentially 3 spearate windows, how (using uPVC)
would the two side windows be joined to the middle window to provide a seal ?
Would a uPVC bay window be installed as 3 separate windows, or as 1 complete unit ?


That was my original point - it looks like your bay windows are 3 separate windows, meaning there is a stud at each corner. That makes it easier. So you install 3 windows rather than one, and the gap/join is covered by timber - as it is now.

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neil100
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ed @ EcoClassic wrote:

That was my original point - it looks like your bay windows are 3 separate windows, meaning there is a stud at each corner. That makes it easier. So you install 3 windows rather than one, and the gap/join is covered by timber - as it is now.

Ed


OK, so looking at your product sizes, if I was looking at double hung,
2 off 1543 x 610 and 1 off 1543 x 1450 - what sort of price would that be delivered to Sydney?

Do you have any contacts for installation in Sydney Metro area ?

Do you know anything about these suppliers product http://www.easywindows.com.au/ ?

Thanks

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neil100 wrote:
ed @ EcoClassic wrote:

That was my original point - it looks like your bay windows are 3 separate windows, meaning there is a stud at each corner. That makes it easier. So you install 3 windows rather than one, and the gap/join is covered by timber - as it is now.

Ed


OK, so looking at your product sizes, if I was looking at double hung,
2 off 1543 x 610 and 1 off 1543 x 1450 - what sort of price would that be delivered to Sydney?

Do you have any contacts for installation in Sydney Metro area ?

Do you know anything about these suppliers product http://www.easywindows.com.au/ ?

Thanks

Neil


I am sure that double hung will not provide enough cover for your shutter to attach. I have priced the awning or casement.
    2 @ $400 each
    1 @ $690
Standard sizes, includes timber colour to outside, white inside.

Courier or delivery at cost...

Sorry I don't know any installers in Sydney - a carpenter could easily do the job. But he should check measure and specify the size so he takes responsibility.

The window co you refer to uses Kommerling so the quality will be good.

Thanks
Ed

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I am sure that double hung will not provide enough cover for your shutter to attach. I have priced the awning or casement.
    2 @ $400 each
    1 @ $690
Standard sizes, includes timber colour to outside, white inside.

Courier or delivery at cost...

Sorry I don't know any installers in Sydney - a carpenter could easily do the job. But he should check measure and specify the size so he takes responsibility

The window co you refer to uses Kommerling so the quality will be good.

Thanks
Ed[/quote]

Thanks Ed

Are you able to add colonial bars to the windows ?

I must admit, I do like the wood grain effect. On the website it
Looks really good. Would like to see it in the flesh.

Regards

Neil


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ed @ ecoclassic
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Hmmm there is definitely somthing wrong with the quoting in Homeone - it gets in a knot these days...

Anyway, yes, we can do colonial bars in between the glass - BUT only in white. So a timber look with colonial bars is not available.

If you PM your address I can send a colour sample in timber...

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ed @ EcoClassic wrote:
If you PM your address I can send a colour sample in timber...

Ed


Thanks - PM sent ED


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