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Author:  ejb [ Apr 19, 2009 5:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Telstra Velocity at Eynesbury (huh?)
Hiya. My DH and I are considering buying land at Eynesbury in Melbourne's west. It's exactly what we're after. But we've never built before, and Eynesbury is not the easiest place to build, so right now just the thought of what's to come is scaring the absolute crap outta me! ::hyst::

I'm so glad I stumbled over this site - just since this morning I've learned quite a few really important things to consider when buying land and building, that I would otherwise never have been aware of and might have caused problems for us down the track.

In the whole scheme of things, this is a small thing - but I'm unsure about what this Telstra velocity thing means. I read that link below, which I'm sure is already dumbed down for the likes of me, but I still go "huh? Wha???". Does that mean we can only get our net thru Telstra? And is it wireless broadband or something? Is that more expensive? I have no idea how that works. I have regular old cable internet thru Optus, I've had it for years, it's reliable, cheap, and I'd hate to think we'd have to change ISP's and pay alot more for alot less.

http://eynesbury.com.au/webdata/Examiner-Summer-09.pdf

Any feedback would be appreciated, even if it's just related to building or buying land at Eynesbury, and not necessarily about their fibre optic cabling thingamajigies...whatever the hell that is. :?
Author:  Djelibeybi [ Apr 19, 2009 5:39 pm ]
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ejb ejb
In the whole scheme of things, this is a small thing - but I'm unsure about what this Telstra velocity thing means. I read that link below, which I'm sure is already dumbed down for the likes of me, but I still go "huh? Wha???". Does that mean we can only get our net thru Telstra? And is it wireless broadband or something?


Telstra Velocity is a fibre-to-the-home solution, i.e. there is a fibre-optic cable that runs directly to your house. At the house, this is then split up into phone, Internet and Pay/Free TV signals. All of this runs across the single fibre at the same time. If you are in a Telstra Velocity estate, you can only get Internet via Telstra/BigPond. There is no alternative, because the phone line comes via the fibre as well, so you can't even get ADSL with anyone else.

Your only other option is wireless broadband, if the area is covered.
Author:  misscrow [ Apr 19, 2009 6:01 pm ]
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In the whole scheme of things, this is a small thing - but I'm unsure about what this Telstra velocity thing means.


its definately not a little thing!! had we known we were going to be at telstra's mercy forever we would not have brought where we did. check out whirlpool forum for more info. It is extremely expensive for example we currently pay $70 for adsl2 with iinet. the telstra equivalent is $170.

You really are screwed going into a velocity community unless you dont mind being ripped off. Luckily there have been so many complaints of fair trading breaches its going to court in novemberish (was spose to be feb09) hopefully they will be forced to either drop their prices or open up the network for compettion.
Author:  ejb [ Apr 19, 2009 6:19 pm ]
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Ahh thank you very much, now it all makes sense. Well I hope something comes out of that hearing in November. Aside from the obvious cost issues that will affect us when the time comes, I hate Telstra with a passion. I've been with Optus for 9 years for phone, mobiles, net and foxtel. Just on principal I'd hate to have to go with Telstra because of the number of dramas they caused us in our business about 5 years ago which I won't bore you with...when I was asked by Telstra to put it all in writing, it took up 2 x A4 typed pages. But they've always been the most expensive so that's the major reason I don't bother with them.

E.J.
Author:  wakeboardandy [ Apr 19, 2009 7:17 pm ]
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We have velocity at our esate as well and was a major factor in us choosing the estate. FTTH is best technology you can get. The benefits are you get internet, phone, foxtel and FTA tv all through the one cable. Which also means no need for a satellite or antenna on your roof.

Also velocity will be increasing its speed to 100Mbps by christmas as well as aligning all the plans to the same as Telstra cable. At the moment it is more expensive which is dissapointing but this will change over the next 6-8 months when they align with cable pricing.

Anyway in summary I think any estate that has signed up to FTTH (whether Telstra or any other carrier) is a great feature and asset to have and can only help increase property value.
Author:  ejb [ Apr 19, 2009 8:34 pm ]
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Well that's surprising I wasn't expecting to hear anything positive, so that's reasurring. I have to say out of all the things that I could be worrying about, this is the one thing that was really sticking in my craw LOL. As it is I'll be forking out alot in petrol getting my kids to and from school 25 mins away, my husband will have to drive 25 mins to work (currently we live 700m from our business), not to mention all the kid's activities, play dates, parties that will all still occur in our current hometown. Oh and my own sports and other stuff. LOL...in case you haven't already guessed I've almost talked myself out of it! But my husband has his heart set...however I'm the one doing the legwork, and the number crunching, and trying to educate myself so as not to fall victim to the notorious Hidden Costs. Especially in an estate such as Eynesbury.
Author:  wakeboardandy [ Apr 19, 2009 8:41 pm ]
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Yeah well there is alot of people that find it positive.. but there is alot of people on here that like to bash anything Telstra... which is fine, everyone has their own opinion but I think ACA and TT do a good enough job of that! :lol:

I am building in Laurimar which is a smart community also. Some may say I am biased due to my employment but I think any type of FTTH network in estates is a great thing.. Opticomm are another example of a company offering a FTTH service and do a great job.
Author:  misscrow [ Apr 19, 2009 10:08 pm ]
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FTTH is best technology you can get. The benefits are you get internet, phone, foxtel and FTA tv all through the one cable. Which also means no need for a satellite or antenna on your roof.


yes i agree with you on that, the speeds and advantages are good. however its being forced in using 1 particular company & having my rights to fair competition being signed away by people that wont be living in the estate anyway, that i find absoultly disgusting. If they were the only company offering this technology that would be a different story but they're not so we should be free to choose.

Even in comparision to the other optic companies available in perth, they were still around $70 more expensive for the same technology.
Author:  riffa [ Apr 20, 2009 3:27 am ]
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I agree FTTH would be great if the price is reasonable.

I was wondering how much it costs to get your house connected with FTTH?

Is it the same as a copper line? eg approx $300 for a trench & connection to the street plus the connection fee??
Author:  Djelibeybi [ Apr 20, 2009 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Telstra Velocity at Eynesbury (huh?)
riffa riffa
Is it the same as a copper line? eg approx $300 for a trench & connection to the street plus the connection fee??


It's $400 for trench/connection + equipment (ONI) for an Opticomm connection, based on the quote I got for my new house. Not sure how much Telstra charge as part of Velocity, but they do have some rebates that are available to owners/first occupiers to offset that cost (AFAIK).

And I agree with wakeboardandy: FTTH is the best possible option for phone/Internet/TV. And Telstra upgrading their FTTH to 100mbps is great. If they just matched the same pricing/options as other ISPs, I'd be far more positive about them. :) The biggest problem I have with Telstra/BigPond is that both downloads and uploads are counted against your quota. Telstra (and now Optus) are the only two ISPs who do this. The rest only count your downloads against your quota.

However, I will fully admit that (before andy jumps on me) that most home/consumer connections don't upload nearly as much as they download, so it probably isn't such a big deal for most people. As I live, work and play on the Internet, it is far more critical to me. At the moment, I easily use my entire 55gb allocation every month (and have to watch the last few days most months), so jumping from 4mb to 100mb is going to make watching my usage even more difficult!
Author:  Arabella [ Apr 20, 2009 10:54 am ]
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Hi there,

My fiancee and I are building at Eynesbury (should start this month yay!) and are not really technologically inclinded so we didn't really take the details or extra cost of the telstra velocity into consideration.

After first visiting Eynesbury, we couldn't think of building anywhere else, just love it. Helps that my fiancee is a golf fanatic! It does mean a bit extra travel time for me too (I am in the city) but hopefully the shuttle bus to the train station will be up and going so I won't even need to drive the 5 mins to the station. Deer park bypass makes travel to city easier also. It's well worth the extra travel for the surroundings IMO.

Good luck, let us know how you go :)
Author:  ejb [ Apr 22, 2009 9:09 pm ]
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Arabella, did you do a H&L package or buy land then build? Who did you build with?

Oh and I agree with you, definitely the surroundings are worth the travel. We're in Werribee, have been for 12 years and I feel like I'm suffocating. We really need to get away from it. We were originally considering Gisborne but it's just that bit too far (because we have a business in Werribee), so from our point of view Eynesbury's not that far.

EJ
Author:  Arabella [ Apr 23, 2009 9:17 am ]
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Hi ejb,

We purchased a h&l package with Zuccala, easier as first home buyers to get the whole package with fixed site costs :wink: It looks like Greybox Homes are the most popular out there atm and their homes seem to go up pretty quick! But check out all the builders to compare inclusions etc

We looked at Gisborne also, but yes, too far for travel. For surroundings and price of land compared to areas like Tarneit, Point Cook and Caroline Springs etc we think its great value considering it's a golf course estate.

We are renting in Hoppers atm, and like you can't wait to get out, feels like its just getting busier & busier!
Keep us informed of your progress :)
Author:  Zerosignal [ May 19, 2009 12:15 am ]
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We got quoted 3.5k by Metricon to Smart Wire our house in Alamanda Point Cook.

I still do not have the full details of what is involved but at 3.5k I am assuming it will cover most of the house.

Will be following up with our sales rep on this one soon.
Author:  tempura [ Mar 29, 2010 11:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Telstra Velocity at Eynesbury (huh?)
Djelibeybi Djelibeybi
ejb ejb
In the whole scheme of things, this is a small thing - but I'm unsure about what this Telstra velocity thing means. I read that link below, which I'm sure is already dumbed down for the likes of me, but I still go "huh? Wha???". Does that mean we can only get our net thru Telstra? And is it wireless broadband or something?


Telstra Velocity is a fibre-to-the-home solution, i.e. there is a fibre-optic cable that runs directly to your house. At the house, this is then split up into phone, Internet and Pay/Free TV signals. All of this runs across the single fibre at the same time. If you are in a Telstra Velocity estate, you can only get Internet via Telstra/BigPond. There is no alternative, because the phone line comes via the fibre as well, so you can't even get ADSL with anyone else.

Your only other option is wireless broadband, if the area is covered.


Does the bold one highlighted above can be a bad thing? ... sorry I'm also new to this kind of stuff so hopefully some with more experience/knowledge can explain.

If we can also get Internet connection with Telstra, does that mean we can't connect with TPG (very interesting internet package) or any other say Optus, iiNET, Exetel etc?
Author:  misscrow [ Mar 29, 2010 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Telstra Velocity at Eynesbury (huh?)
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Does the bold one highlighted above can be a bad thing? ... sorry I'm also new to this kind of stuff so hopefully some with more experience/knowledge can explain.

If we can also get Internet connection with Telstra, does that mean we can't connect with TPG (very interesting internet package) or any other say Optus, iiNET, Exetel etc?


If you are building in an estate that has signed with telstra then telstra is your only option for those things. However the one thing we did find out was that they cannot force your to have your phone connected with telstra, but you wont get internet.
Author:  take2 [ Nov 02, 2010 3:31 pm ]
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We are in Brookwater Qld which is also a Velocity Estate, Yes we do pay more and there is no competition and they are a pain to deal with, but is we built in any of the estates around us we would have been very lucky (more chance of being hit by lightning) to get a port. So you have to go wireless but due to the volume of people using the wireless network it constantly crashes and kicks you off. I beleive all developers of these new estates should have to upgrade the exchanges etc to meet the demand that will be need for internet.

Cheers Lou
Author:  wakeboardandy [ Nov 02, 2010 7:12 pm ]
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take2 take2
We are in Brookwater Qld which is also a Velocity Estate, Yes we do pay more and there is no competition and they are a pain to deal with,

Cheers Lou


back when this thread started you would have been right.. but not now.. tell me where else in Australia you can get 100Mbps down and 5Mbps up with 200gb limit from $79.95 a month?
Author:  misscrow [ Nov 03, 2010 1:59 am ]
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back when this thread started you would have been right.. but not now.. tell me where else in Australia you can get 100Mbps down and 5Mbps up with 200gb limit from $79.95 a month?


I actually agree, We've been with them over a year now and no probs (minus the inital connection disaster) their customer service is still terrible but the internet access is actually pretty great. The fact they have lowered the cost and increased the limits makes them alot more competitive or maybe even cheaper. It still doesn't sit right with me that we have no other option, but at the end of the day we do have pretty awesome internet speeds & no dropouts etc.

me=telstra convert??... possibly :o
Author:  the_milesy [ Jan 14, 2011 1:56 pm ]
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To add to this,

NBNCo "should" be taking over all of Telstra's fiber, including their Velocity estates. Its probably still a few years away, but there is a chance of future competition.
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